Instigator / Con
34
1605
rating
17
debates
70.59%
won
Topic

Honor demands that Trump pay Warren 1 million dollars

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

Arguments points
15
3
Sources points
10
2
Spelling and grammar points
5
5
Conduct points
4
1

With 5 votes and 23 points ahead, the winner is ...

Death23
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Category
Politics
Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
One month
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
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Characters per argument
10,000
Contender / Pro
11
1500
rating
16
debates
40.63%
won
Description
~ 279 / 5,000

Background - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-warren-million-offer-dna/ ----- Full resolution - Honor demands that Trump pay 1 million to Warren's favorite charity upon demand by Warren ----- Rules:- Round 1: Opening cases only (no rebuttals)----- Round 2: Rebuttals only

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Contender
--> @Death23 @McSloth

cuz liberals don't care about facts, only feelings.

Oh I know I won't convince him, I am simply exposing his true colors to viewers.

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Instigator

Don't care.

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--> @Death23 @Our_Boat_is_Right

Boat like I said, there is no point in arguing with him, the chances of you being able to convince him to cancel the debate are slim at best. He is set in his thought process and won't listen to logic or reasoning. You also should not care about your wins and losses Boat, they don't matter in the slightest and they definitely don't tell you who the best debaters are.

Death, why is my reasoning flawed? Please, do explain where you think I was wrong. Also, you haven't responded to Boat's question, why and how could you "pay" for his mistake?

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Contender
--> @Death23

OK, so now you concede I am right. Secondly, if you didn't care about winning, why would you continue an empty debate?

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Instigator
--> @Our_Boat_is_Right

Whether you lied or made mistake, my decision would be the same. I don't care about winning.

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Contender
--> @Death23 @McSloth

I just want death to cancel the debate and stop taking advantage of a noob's mistake to look good on his stats. I do not want to have my first loss on this site because of a jerk. BTW death has already seen my recent comments, but obviously has chosen not to respond when he is confronted with the truth.

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--> @Death23 @Our_Boat_is_Right

"Never argue with a fool, for onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain

I am a strong believer in the conservation of energy, with that in mind I think this whole issue has become nothing more than a waste of time, and thus a waste of energy. Death isn't going to listen to reason, and Boat isn't going to be able to change that fact. With that in mind, I suggest you two either drop this matter and move forward or (and this is the far more interesting option in my opinion) you two debate another issue. This will let the two of you settle this like proper debaters and let the rest of us enjoy a good debate, it's a win for everyone involved.

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Contender
--> @Death23

I have further proof, as Logical-Master commented "I had the same inclination initially..."
This prooves that I am not the only one who got confused. Lucky for logical, he caught himself before he accepted the debate.

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Contender
--> @Death23

I can prove it was a mistake, while you can't.

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Contender
--> @Death23

I literally just gave you a proof of link.
Still don't believe me? I posted a couple comments on a TYT youtube video more than a week ago.

Here is a special link that highlights the comment, and I reply two times on it. My name is starts with Eli, and I post several anti-pochohontas comments. Alec can actually confirm it is my real name through emails on google.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtTN3BEPWOI&lc=UgxBhwo8hFPSUxkyF_t4AaABAg

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Instigator
--> @Our_Boat_is_Right

I don't believe you. My language was clear. So was yours.

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Contender
--> @Death23

you said "Are you aware that I am arguing against the topic"

I ran through it fast and thought it said something like "are you aware that I'm arguing against YOU on the topic."

The way you titled it sounded like you were pro, by seemingly putting a biased title. You also gave no positioning on the topic in the description.

Why would I want the debate to be canceled if I agree with you? I think Warren is a hoax. Look at my profile, I'm Conservative and love Trump. You can also look at my DDO profile, where I even make fun of warren on my profile. This proves I am not lying about my position, but rather it was a misunderstanding. Also, the debate says "instigator and contender" not "pro and con"

I just joined 2 days ago. I am unfamiliar to how this works.

https://www.debate.org/Our_Boat_is_Right/

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Instigator

FYI what happened here was Pro accepted debate and said that he knew that I would be arguing against the topic before I posted arguments. After seeing my arguments, Pro then claimed that he didn't know that I would be arguing against the topic and requested a cancel. I didn't consent to cancel because I didn't believe Pro. What strikes me as more likely is that Pro knew I would be arguing against the topic and then lied about it to try to get a cancel after he saw how good my arguments were.

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Instigator
--> @McSloth

"Completely on me" right? Your reasoning is clearly flawed.

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Instigator
--> @McSloth

He said he was aware that I was arguing against the topic before I posted my arguments. Had he responded differently then I would have agreed to a cancel.

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Nah, Trump's honor bound to at best, send 1/1024 of a million dollars. Should send it as a giant publishers clearing house check for about 9,000 dollar. Also, since when was Central and Southern American(Hispanic) the same as Cherokee? Be careful, ur getting pretty close to racist A" territory if you hold 1/1024 of DNA matching the central and south american DNA that was used in that test, is the same as matching with DNA of a Cherokee 😏.

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--> @Death23

O I don't believe what he said, he definitely should have looked into the debate more before clicking accept, and that mistake is completely on him. However, you also need to take responsibility for your mistake in setting this debate up. In setting up this debate you should have taken the Con position considering you are debating against the resolution you posted. If you wanted to vote for the resolution you should have phrased the debate differently, such as "Trump Should Not Have to Pay Warren". This mistake is completely on you, and you need to also take responsibility. Considering you both messed up, I suggested you just cancel the debate, to save everyone's time and effort.

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Instigator
--> @McSloth

He says he didn't know he was Pro until I posted my arguments. You believe him? I don't.

Death23
Added: 4 days ago
Are you aware that I am arguing against the topic?

Our_Boat_is_Right
Added: 4 days ago
Yes, I am.

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--> @Death23

And I don't care either, the fact remains that what I said is most likely the truth. Cancel the debate or don't at the end of the day it doesn't matter. What does matter is your character, and caring about a "win" this much shows a lot about you as a debater. I suggest you stop caring about wins and loses so much, try actually learning something from each encounter and try and grow your understanding, that should be the reason why we bother debating one another.

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Instigator
--> @McSloth

I don't care what you think.

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I think he should challenge someone else to the debate but he shouldn't cancel this debate because a win is a win.

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--> @Death23

I think its quite clear that all you want is the win in this debate, you don't care about debating or argumentation. You just want a win so your arbitrary and meaningless stats look better. If you really cared about your time you would cancel the debate and find someone who will actually debate you on this issue. If you don't you are literally wasting days for each round to be forfeited.

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Talking to Our boat is right below, not Logical master.

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Your the one arguing the leftist position here. The person on the left wants Trump to pay the $1 million. You also got annoyed when people forfeited debates. You said that on DDO. So don't forfeit this one.

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--> @Our_Boat_is_Right

You can probably still argue that Trump made the mistake of never defining terms of his challenge (thereby making 1% Indian blood irrelevant) and that Trump merely paying a charity $1,000,000 is an inherently honorable thing to do and that Trump's riches enable him to do this without breaking a sweat. I don't agree with that, but it's not like there's no arguments to be made here.