Instigator / Pro
7
1557
rating
35
debates
52.86%
won
Topic
#1848

Pediatric study shows Dtap does not cause Autism in under 6 year olds

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
1

After 1 vote and with the same amount of points on both sides...

It's a tie!
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1490
rating
7
debates
42.86%
won
Description

Advisories

During this debate, wider issues revolving around vaccines in general, may be brought up, and should not be considered irrelevant. Though if wider issues do not get brought up, that is not a violation. If they do, it should not be considered irrelevant, though instead, if a debater fails to explore wider issues, then the voter is allowed to, at their discretion, decide that this is suggestive of their lack of enthusiasm in the subject they chose to debate.

While my opponent has freedom to express their own free-will regards to how they conduct the debate, the debate should be conducted by someone that already has a strong belief in this subject, before taking on the debate.
It should be evident in my opponents argument that this is a subject they are knowledgeable about. And that they would have been of the opinion they are assuming during the debate, before they accepted the challenge. My opponent should already be of the pre-conceived notion regards to his argument.
Ultimately, it should be an honest debate. And the main factor on how the debate is judged should not deflect away from the title.
The debate may verge in to sub-branches, or sub-topics, but there should be no pleas for voters to assume arguments revolving around sub-issues, have became the main argument.
The main argument is "what it says in the title".
My opponent would also be expected to try and also provide some proof for his or her arguments. Even though i do not specifically set this as a rule, as i am not my brothers keeper, and i believe everyone has free-will, it would however be expected,
"All cards should be on the table"
Also quotes with links should be clear. If my opponent is providing a limk for something, then at least one or two lines from the link should be provided as a quote, so that everyone can see what the source they are linking too says.
And if they cannot provide the quote, because the link is to a 535page book, then perhaps they should find a way of proving their source says what they say it says, by taking the time to surf the internet and find a copy they can quote from, or find another source that says this, rather than leave it to the opponent to do their research for them, and go searching for their links, and scowering the internet for their opponents claims.
It would be expected my opponent also has an argument of their own to present to the audience. And simply standing arms folded purely trying to deminish my argument, should somehow be considered a better argument, may be considered questionable. But again, this is just an advisory, and not explicitly demanded.
And of course my opponent should attempt to deminish my argument. But they should also have an argument of their own to present.
So ultimately, the voter should have at their discretion the ability to vote for an argument not being substantial enough.
By this i mean a "lazy" argument. Where-by" the Con assumes only the position of the defence, but appears to assume no need for also "proving" their side of the argument, with their entire argument revolving around purely disproving Pros claims.
This may be mistaken for a good argument.
But a voter has at their discretion the ability to decide it is not, and that Con also had the responsibility to prove their counter argument.
And this is not a wordplay debate.
There is no room in this debate for a debater that wishes to accept the challenge thinking they have spotted a loophole in the title or description that they can jump on and make this the main focus, and try to somehow persuade the voters that theirs was the better argument based upon a play on words that the instigator likely did not even mean.
Common sense must also prevail, and an argument such as this, does not even require responding too.
Failing to respond to certain types of arguments, or make any suggestion to the voters, does not equate to the opponents bad argument, or error, becoming validated.
The voter has the right to punish a debater for errors, even if the error was not highlighted by the other debater. It should be assumed that the other debater did in fact spot the logical fallacy, or the inaccuracy, or general misdemeanor, but chose not to highlight it and allow it to be self explanatory to the readers.
But ultimately, my opponent should have a good solid counter argument that can be weighed up against my own.
In the event my opponent fails to comply with any of my advisories, then the voters have at their dicretion the ability to enforce my advisories
And those advisories apply to me aswell, regardless of what term i used above

Now there is "no" hiding place for either debater. My opponent takes this on "knowing" he has expectations on him to also "provide" a counter argument. And also at least "attempt" to prove his counter argument, as well as disproving his opponent.

This goes for me aswell.

Only 6 hours remain for anyone to vote.

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@DrSpy

DrSpy needs to come back and start debating. His debate tactics are sorely missed.
If he comes back and starts debating again, he can have my CD collection of Bob Mar lee.

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@DrSpy

tdap is a typo
However i have changed it, and it is not the topic of the argument.
And i am not discussing anything in comments.
If you take the challenge you read the description first.
I will reveal the study in round 1.
If you are not happy with the study. Then it is a bit different to your other debate.
There are expectations on you to prove why "your" doubts should be considered worthy over that of Scientific consensus

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@Nevets

I do not understand the title.

"Pediatric study shows tdap does not cause Autism in under 6 year olds"

Is this one pediatric study, What is trap?

Do you mean "A pediatric study shows DTaP does not........"