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#1853

The Bible Created Western Civilization Part 1: Humanity, Rationality and Technology

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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When I say that the Bible shaped Western Civilization I mean by its literal interpretation. For many reasons I consider that the Catholic interpretation is based on man's opinion that twists God's Word to fit its own belief system. This isn't a debate on religion or different religious denominations. I believe Western Civilization began when man began to interpret the Scriptures as written, because the Bible could finally be read by the common man who could see that the Catholic Church had replaced man's authority over God's authority. The Bible is the foundation for Western Civilization.

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@Barney
@User_2006
@shadow_712

Thanks for voting, gentlemen

Now that the debate s finished, I will admit that had I voted, Con's arguments carried the day. Pro's argument that the Bible created Western civilization is simply lending too much credit to the Bible, period. It is a great book. It is filled with valid personal life choices to make and have a prosperous life by whatever measure you wish to make. But cause of Western civilization is just a reach too far.

As I have accepted Part 2 of this debate, taking the Con position, I will refrain from voting in this part 1, or risk bias.

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@shadow_712

Sure. If you start it I will debate.

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@BiblicalChristian101

would you be open to debate, "The exposure of christian civilization and trade was detrimental to India in all possible ways?".

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@shadow_712

Are you Christianphobic for responsonding? If you want to debate your point feel free to create a debate.

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@BiblicalChristian101

Are you hinduphobic ? my country and culture has been targeted a lot, care to explain the advent of chrisitanity point? when the British starved to death 30 million Indians to keep the allied effort in war well fed and please read the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre as well.
In the words of Rabindranath Tagore while returning his knighthood "Such mass- murderers are not worthy of conferring titles on anyone".

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@oromagi

Yeah, I see that. Thanks for the debate as well.

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@BiblicalChristian101

I think shortening the argument time is good strategy for this style of debate. You clearly have already thought about this subject a lot and already have a pretty good idea of what you want you to say, which means you can lay down arguments relatively quickly. You've put together a complex argument that takes a lot of time and research to make a proper response so shortening the argument time is likely to give some advantage.

gg! Thanks again for the interesting topic.

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@oromagi

Blast! I forgot to finish the debate! I think I will not do two week debates anymore.

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@BiblicalChristian101

Why do Christians always feel the need to condemn Catholics. The Bible you use was constructed by the Catholics, and if you believe in Sola Scriptura, please tell me the scripture that says these books should be included in the bible. If believing only in Scripture it would seem relevant that scripture point to what should be used.

By literal interpretation do you mean you believe that all biblical stories are real: noahs ark, jonah and the whale, ect.

FRANCIS: We're gettin' in through the underground heating system here, up through into the main audience chamber here, and Pilate's wife's bedroom is here. Having grabbed his wife, we inform Pilate that she is in our custody and forthwith issue our demands. Any questions?

COMMANDO XERXES: What exactly are the demands?

REG: We're giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State, and if he doesn't agree immediately, we execute her.

MATTHIAS: Cut her head off?

FRANCIS: Cut all her bits off. Send 'em back on the hour every hour. Show them we're not to be trifled with.

REG: Also, we're demanding a ten foot mahogany statue of the Emperor Julius Caesar with his dock hangin' out.

P.F.J.: laughing

LORETTA: What? They'll never agree to that, Reg.

REG: That's just a bar-- a bargaining counter. And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and that we shall not submit to blackmail!

COMMANDOS: No blackmail!

REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.

LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG: Yeah.

LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

XERXES: The aqueduct?

REG: What?

XERXES: The aqueduct.

REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.

LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?

REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.

MATTHIAS: And the roads.

REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--

COMMANDO: Irrigation.

XERXES: Medicine.

COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh...

COMMANDO #2: Education.

COMMANDOS: Ohh...

REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

COMMANDO #1: And the wine.

COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah...

FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.

COMMANDO: Public baths.

LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

XERXES: Brought peace.

REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!

bam bam bam bam bam bam bam

bam bam bam bam bam

MATTHIAS: I am a poor man. My sight is poor. My legs are old and bent, and--

JUDITH: It's all right, Matthias.

MATTHIAS: It's all clear.

JUDITH: Well, where's Reg?

FRANCIS: Oh, Reg. Reg, it's Judith.

REG: What went wrong?

JUDITH: The first blow has been struck!

REG: Did he finish the slogan?

JUDITH: A hundred times, in letters ten foot high, all the way around the palace!

REG: Oh, great. Great. We-- we need doers in our movement, Brian, but, before you join us, know this. There is not one of us here who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all.

COMMANDO: Uhh. Well, one.

REG: Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's one, but otherwise, we're solid. Are you with us?

BRIAN: Yes!

REG: From now on, you shall be called 'Brian that is called Brian'. Tell him about the raid on Pilate's palace, Francis.

FRANCIS: Right. This is the plan...

testing testing

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@BiblicalChristian101

I'd debate you, but I'm worried I'd lose. I need a break evidently from debating. The west is a secular civilization. An example of a christian civilization would be sub Saharan Africa.