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#1854

The topic of whether God of the Bible is omnipotent or not

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
Parameters
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Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
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Description

I, as the declarer of the present debate, state that I will debate for the perspective in which the Biblical God is not omnipotent; You, as the contender of said debate, will argue for the perspective in which the Biblical God is omnipotent. Any trolling activity is discouraged and will result in removal within the site.

The requirement of the opposite side: must understand the basics of the Christian religion, must believe that God is omnipotent, and must believe in the reality of God. I, the starter of the debate, discourage any beings within this website using a technique "devil's advocate" or its likes in which he/she argues in a perspective that he/she does not believe unless he/she has grasped the knowledge of Christianity in similar degrees of a Christian, and can substitute for one in this online debate platform.

Round I is for opening arguments, and no refutations shall be made.

Round V is for ending arguments, and no refutations should be made either. The commenting section does the job and both users can inquire, rebuttal and introduce new ideas at any time, even after the debate has ended. Hate speech and other languages of its like are discouraged and will result in a report. No language other than the English language shall be used.

Because my opponents had avoided my inquiry with pre-made and pre-refuted points instead of going head-on, I think I get the point.

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@User_2006

No problem.

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@sigmaphil

Oops, accidentally refuted. Since that I am the starter, I shall give my opponent the privileges of refuting too. As I declared refuting in the 5th round does not lose conduct.

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@User_2006

Due to the fact we have only one more round where we can bring up new arguments. I would ask if you could specify any previous statements such as the list in Round 1 that you want me to address. I was under the understanding that I was not to address those questions until you brought them up further in the rounds. I guess we are in round 4 now. Good luck!

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@User_2006

Ran out of room, so was only briefly able to add one small argument which honestly I was not able to finish. Hopefully, I'll have more space in the next round. I guess I got a little preachy, lol!

I know God intimately, he is inside me. He has never lied and is incapable of lying.

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@Melcharaz

"Because he has never lied. Revelation 19:6"

It is easier to lie in an autobiography because all people will believe in you. However, self-prove is not proof. When you comeback with the words of "Cuz I said so and My momma said so", it is the same level of proof and a lack of proof as god saying "I am omnipotent".

Because he has never lied. Revelation 19:6

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@Melcharaz

How do you know?

Because God cannot lie.

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@User_2006

In retrospect, I think I may have come across a little harsh in my second argument. I had some trouble understanding what some of your questions were. I was a bit frustrated I guess. I'll try and do better in the following arguments. It's all good.

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@Melcharaz

"I mean, the bible says God is all-mighty, uses the same Greek word for powerful"

How do you know that God is not lying? Did he say it? I said, I am the president of the United States in 1266, how do you know I am lying? How do you know God lies not?

I mean, the bible says God is all mighty, uses same greek word for powerful.

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@User_2006

I made a small mistake in my Round 1 argument. The paragraph that starts "My goal in this first argument is to simply state..." should actually say, "My goal in this debate is to simply state..." Change "first argument" to "debate."

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@User_2006

Well since we agreed to argue about the omnipotence of the God of the Bible, maybe we should stick with that God. Obviously your first argument is using human logic to argue your side, which is fine, but outside of that, I think we should argue from the Bible.

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@sigmaphil

I forgot one thing. My first argument is for ANY god, not just the Christian one. However, God of the Bible is still within the domain of "any god". I don't need to recite the bible unless you refute that the Biblical God is omnipotent despite I had made a *seemingly irrefutable*(Which is probably incorrect) argument.

I am fascinated by this subject and will follow the proceedings with great interest, and will positively be a voter. I definitively come down on one side of the proposed debate, but I can divorce my proclivities and vote on the basis of the arguments presented. There is a particular subject I'm hoping will be presented by either participant, but I am not going to tip my hand as to its subject. I am hoping one of you will use it as an argument, but will wait until the argument phase has concluded and proceeded to voting before I mention it in comments. It will not be a subject on which I draw any conclusions in voting.

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@User_2006

Your opening statement caught me off guard. I have to shift my approach now. No problem though, I should have my opening statement up tonight sometime.

Just if you think I am too fast. I am a slow typer(slower than 55 wpm) and I had copy-pasted the argument since the debate had started asking for people to accept it. It doesn't matter because it is the opening argument anyways.

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@User_2006

I accept! Good luck friend!

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@sigmaphil

Both sides assuming God exists. We argue from the Bible.

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@User_2006

Further clarification...
Is this debate about the existence of God or are both sides making the assumption that God, at least, exists and the one side says He is not omnipotent and the other that He is omnipotent?

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@User_2006

Is this a debate from the Christian Bible about the omnipotence of the "Biblical God?" What I mean is are both sides debating from the Christian Bible? Just trying to understand.

If you are just going to accept it, don't try to convince me. Try to convince the people that are just standin' around looking for interestin' stuff. I am not meant to be convinced and no one shall try or otherwise they will learn this the hard way(Trust me, I did too). You don't need refutations, even, if you got such a claim that is good enough and materials that has infallible evidence.

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@Melcharaz

Remember, debating is not meant to convince your opponent. It is meant to convince the voter. Also, A god can certainly exist, but it may not be omnipotent as I will prove as soon as someone on the internet approaches to my inquiry.

I dont believe in debates, i believe in discussions. The problem here is you disbelieve in God, so how is a debate gonna convience you he is omnipotent? No, his spirit draws us unto him.

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@Melcharaz

I don't need the holy spirit(No offense) because it is never proven. I don't believe in things that have ZERO proof of happening. Prove why the God of the Bible is real(It has not been proven by anyone yet), and prove why the holy spirit exists in terms of humanity. Nothing is right until they are proven. You can't say Trump is a bad president and expect neutral people to believe in you if you don't have the evidence. You can accept this debate if you want, but be sure to prove these things.

Well, there are 3 ways to acknowledge God: creation, the bible and his spirit. you dont have the holy spirit; you deny the bible. you want someone to reason God's omnipotence through creation and reasoning. I hope you know the kalaam!

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@User_2006

Oh, so you wish to define God's power APART from his revealing to mankind.

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@User_2006

https://biblehub.com/greek/exousia_1849.htm. https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/28-18.htm. Would you agree that all power is a synonymn of ultimate power?

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@Melcharaz

"Define omnipotent for your opponent. Also God. And exegete the power God has, to show whether he is "omnipotent" or not. Because according to scripture God has all power in heaven and in the earth."

We don't know if God is lying or not. The "God" can easily be an alien and some traits could be made up. We are unsure if the Bible contains only truth and no lies, and we cannot prove it without using blind faith. God is not here and he cannot prove himself present. If he can't even prove himself present, that means he is not omnipotent.

I spilled a little too much information. My opponent in debate tradition is discouraged to refute anything in the comments section unless I bring up the sentence to the arguments section.

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@Melcharaz

Dictionary Definition: Omnipotent
adjective
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
noun
God.

God
1.(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

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@User_2006

Define omnipotent for your opponet. Also God. And exegete the power God has, to show wether he is "omnipotent" or not. Because according to scripture God has all power in heaven and in earth.

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