Instigator / Pro
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I believe that Donald Trump is a re-incarnation of Adolph Hitler

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oromagi
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Politics
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Contender / Con
Points: 28
Description
Adolph Hitler died in 1945. Donald Trump was born in 1946. Both believe in Aryan superiority. If Trump had his way, he would eliminate those he considered inferior.
Round 1
Forfeited
Published:
THBT: DONALD TRUMP is a REINCARNATION of ADOLPH HITLER

PRO has forfeited the opening round.  CON

DEFINITIONS:

DONALD TRUMP  (born June 14, 1946) is "a businessman and television personality"

REINCARNATION is "the philosophical or religious concept that the non-physical essence of a living being starts a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death.  It is also called rebirth or transmigration.  Reincarnation is a central tenet of Indian religions, namely Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Hinduism, although there are Hindu groups that do not believe in reincarnation but believe in an afterlife"

ADOLPH HITLER (20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was "a German politician and leader of the Nazi Party.  He rose to power as the chancellor of Germany in 1933 and then as Führer in 1934.  During his dictatorship from 1933 to 1945, he initiated World War II in Europe by invading Poland on 1 September 1939. He was closely involved in military operations throughout the war and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust."

BURDEN of PROOF:

Wikipedia advises:

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

CON interprets the resolution to mean that PRO must prove that Trump possesses the soul of Adolph Hitler

ARG 1.1  TRUMP has no SOUL

  • No evidence exists establishing that Trump is in possession of a human soul
    • Two of TRUMP's principle biographers independently attest to the absence of any soul to the man
      • "One of the best pieces of writing about Trump from that pre-campaign, pre-birther era comes from New Yorker writer Mark Singer. His 1997 profile of the real estate developer is a classic of the genre, and memorably described Trump as leading "an existence unmolested by the rumbling of a soul." Later, when the profile was collected in a book of Singer's work, Trump denounced the writer in a letter to the New York Times Book Review, a piece of publicity that boosted the book's sales. In gratitude, Singer sent Trump a thank-you letter and a check for $37.82, and Trump replied with a missive that called Singer a "TOTAL LOSER"—but the self-proclaimed billionaire also cashed the check."

    • [Tony] Schwartz, the ghost writer for Trump's book The Art of the Deal, says the [man] is "willing to say anything, to lie, to deceive, to distort and not feel the slightest bit of guilt about it, and it throws anybody off.  He's a sociopath. He's sociopathic....There isn't a soul in there."
  • TRUMP hates dogs
    • "Donald was not a dog fan," Ivana Trump wrote about her former husband in her memoir, Raising Trump. When she brought a poodle named Chappy into their home, Trump fought back. But Ivana's love of dogs would not be quashed: "It's me and Chappy or no one!" she told him. And he eventually acquiesced—but never seemed to grow all that fond of that poodle.  The feeling was mutual: When the president went near Ivana's closet, "Chappy would bark at him territorially," she wrote"
  • dogs hate TRUMP
    • The feeling was mutual: When the president went near Ivana's closet, "Chappy would bark at him territorially," she wrote"
  • TRUMP has no friends
    • Such ambition leaves little time for friendships. "Friendship is not part of his agenda," a business associate says, and Trump concedes as much. "I hate to have to rely on friends," he says. "I'm not a trusting guy. I want to rely on myself." His only "real friends," he says, are family members.
  • TRUMP hates women
    • "Donald Trump, an American businessman and current president of the United States, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 23 women since the 1980s"
  • TRUMP is the most prolific liar ever documented in the history of mankind
    • In 1095 days TRUMP told 16,241 lies in public fact-checked by the Washington Post, more than any other person ever recorded.
  • All evidence strongly suggests that no soul inhabits TRUMP
ARG 1.2 ADOLPH HITLER's LIFE DID NOT MERIT REBIRTH in the HUMAN REALM

  • Buddhist cosmology typically identifies six realms of rebirth and existence: gods, demi-gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts and hells
    • Human realm: called the manuṣya realm.  Buddhism asserts that one is reborn in this realm with vastly different physical endowments and moral natures because of a being's past karma. A rebirth in this realm is considered as fortunate because it offers an opportunity to attain nirvana and end the Saṃsāra cycle
    • Hell realm: beings in hell enter this realm for evil karma such as theft, lying, adultery and others. The texts vary in their details, but typically describe numerous hellish regions each with different forms of intense suffering, such as eight extremely hot hellish realms, eight extremely cold, being partially eaten alive, beating and other forms of torture in proportion to the evil karma accumulated.  These beings are reborn in another realm after their evil karma has run its course, they die, and they get another chance. This realm is not similar to afterlife hell in Christianity, states Damien Keown, because in Buddhism there is no realm of final damnation and existence in this realm is also a temporary state
    • Samsara is perpetuated by karma.  Karma or 'action' results from an intentional physical or mental act, which causes a future consequence. Thus acts of body and speech are driven by an underlying intention or will, and they are unwholesome or wholesome because they are motivated by unwholesome or wholesome intentions. Acts of body and speech are, then, the end products of particular kinds of mentality. At the same time karma can exist as a simple 'act of will', a forceful mental intention or volition that does not lead to an act of body or speech.
  • In the Buddhist view, therefore, the type of birth one has in this life is determined by actions or karma from the previous lives; and the circumstances of the future rebirth are determined by the actions in the current and previous lives.
  • Since the degree of torture in the realms of hell is proportional to the evil karma accumulated in the previous life, we are forced to assume Hitler must endure several centuries more of continuous rape and consumption by packs of horny, hungry bear-pigs
    • Certainly, there is zero chance that Hitler has worked off all his karmic debt in the course of a mere 75 years of perpetual angony
    • We have to assume any fucker as murderous as Hitler is hundreds of life cycles away from a return to the Human realm and another shot at Nivana.
ARG 1.3 REINCARNATION is BULLSHIT

  • If the human soul is not some enduring intellect or memory, then the soul is not really us, is it?  What we humans call our soul is essentially "us": personality, intellect, memory.   If a human has no intellect or memory in this life, we call that human "brain-dead" and generally not worthy of resuscitation or preservation.  Why then ought we invest in the evolution and preservation of a human soul if it lacks the intellect and memory, the "soul" we humans might recognize?  Even if reincarnation were true (it aint) why should we care?
CONCLUSION

  • No evidence suggests that old Hitler still walks the world in a new orange suit called TRUMP.  PRO has one round left to convince us otherwise.
Round 2
Forfeited
Published:
THBT: DONALD TRUMP is a REINCARNATION of ADOLPH HITLER

  • PRO has forfeited BOTH rounds]
ARG 1.1  TRUMP has no SOUL

  • extend all arguments
ARG 1.2 ADOLPH HITLER's LIFE DID NOT MERIT REBIRTH in the HUMAN REALM

  • extend all arguments
ARG 1.3 REINCARNATION is BULLSHIT

  • extend all arguments
CONCLUSION

  • PRO failed to prove that Trump possesses the soul of Adolph Hitler
VOTING

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  • Thanks to ramdatt for the freebie
  • Thanks to all VOTERS for their kind consideration



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--> @oromagi
Bitte.
#16
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--> @fauxlaw
Danke schoen!
Contender
#15
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--> @oromagi
Congratulations on your win, my friend. Well argued on your part, even if your opponent forfeited against superior argument.
#14
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--> @RationalMadman, @Trent0405, @Ragnar, @fauxlaw
Many thanks for voting!
Contender
#13
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--> @Discipulus_Didicit
Here is a video of Sunday worship service:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6OzRfPiFfQ
Contender
#12
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Swagnarok…
I get it...
I am wasting my time dealing with a Trump arse kisser!
Be happy living with your alternate reality!
Instigator
#11
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He's not, but it wouldn't make any difference if he were. To be the reincarnation of Hitler, you have to be an anti-Semite. Being a "racist white supremacist bigot" is not enough to qualify.
#10
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"But the fact is, even the Left has not gone out of its way of accusing Trump of being an anti-Semite"
What part of...
DONALD TRUMP IS A WHITE SUPREMIST RACIST BIGOT
don't you understand ?
Instigator
#9
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But the fact is, even the Left has not gone out of its way of accusing Trump of being an anti-Semite. They've accused him of so much nonsense it's not even funny, but they didn't go down that one rabbit hole.
Accordingly, there was never any real pressure on Trump to "prove" that he's not anti-Semitic. I've yet to see him flout his Jewish cabinet as proof of his non-racism. And yet, all those Jewish people are still there, running his government.
Getting rid of Jews was Hitler's hot-button issue. There is zero compatibility between Hitler and a man who willingly and constantly surrounds himself with Jews.
#8
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Swagnarok …
Doesn't change the fact that Trump is a white supremist, racist bigot...
So what if Trump likes some Jews. Fifty years ago, the bigoted southern congressmen used to say...
SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE BLACK
Instigator
#7
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Hitler died April 30. Trump was born in June 6 of the following year. Conception of Trump did not immediately follow death of Hitler, unless we assume a more than 13-month long pregnancy. Since that's never happened in the history of humanity, the date of Trump's birth isn't significant, aside that it's plausible so far as Trump wasn't alive at the same time as Hitler (but then again this same logic could be applied to, say, Obama).
But more importantly, whatever Trump may think about Hispanics or Arabs or Chinese people, he doesn't hate Jews, which was the group Hitler hated the most.
Jared Kushner, his son in law, is Jewish, as is his daughter Ivanka by conversion. A large number of other Jewish people occupy key positions in the Trump administration, and Trump was the one who appointed them to such. Hitler wouldn't have let a Jew within 100 feet of the White House, were he the POTUS reincarnated, much less choose one (Rudy Giulani) to be his main personal lawyer.
#6
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"we are forced to assume Hitler must endure several centuries more of continuous rape and consumption by packs of horny, hungry bear-pigs"
Oromagi, I am begging you... when you finally get around to making this into an officially recognized religion by the government please please please notify me immediately so that I may send you my resume and application for official priesthood.
#5
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Of all the people in the World, the man Trump most idolizes is Vladimir Putin, Supreme Leader Of Russia.
Instigator
#4
Added:
" I'll look forward to reading whatever supported arguments are made"
I guarantee you that Trump wants to become the equivalent of De Fuhrer.
Instigator
#3
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Pro has to prove reincarnation works though. Like you can't say I am 50 because I can prove otherwise.
#2
#4
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
FF ⠀
Also, it's Adolf and not Adolph (just something I think not enough people realise while spelling his name).
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full forfeiture
However, even in the face of potential forfeiture, Con provided superbly offered clear, concise, and sourced arguments. All points to Con.
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full forfeiture.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full Forfeit.