A real man not only eats quiche, he makes it
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In the 80s, I think it was, when men were begining to be belittled in advertising, that the world was excessively masculine, and men were blamed for it, and then there was advertising for men's eyeliner and shadow and fou-fou hair shampoo, etc, there was a tv commercial, product not remembered, but probably one of the above, saying "Real men don't eat quiche." Well, since I have been making quiche since the late 60s when I was in France, and have made it perennially on Christmas morning for half a century, I was offended by the ad. I said to myself, I not only eat quiche, I make it!
No conditions and no definitions necessary. If you don't know what quiche is, look it up.
Ok. So, what is the topic? The debate centered around this sole question, and I don’t think I get a clear answer by the end. Here’s why: If I take the topic at face value and assume that there are two separate categories of men, real and not real, then I might favor Con since he points out the inherent breech of personal privileges that would accompany the passage of the resolution (although, as Pro mentions, his resolution would not force people to eat quiche per se). He points out that real men simply buy the quiche so as to demonstrate his sedulousness. Con calls this working smart, not hard. However, Con spends little ink in explaining why sedulousness is/should be a quality that “real” men possess. In fact, the semantic debate over what it means to be a “real man” might have been the chief misstep that both competitors made. If Con argued that “real men” exhibit certain qualities such as shrewdness or canny, then this argument might have clinched the debate. Instead, I am left wondering if it really matters that real men could conceivably buy the quiche as opposed to eating it. Pro raises some doubt when he posits that “real men making quiche” does not preclude the use of pre-bought materials.
Pro suggests that this argument is outside the scope of the debate, which is meant to be a lighthearted challenge meant to engender amusement. Here’s the issue. Bearing in mind the mirthful satire with which this topic was conceived, I still find that this argument has merit because it relates to the topic, which is more than I can say for most of Pro’s arguments. In fact, the reason I went over Con’s arguments first is for this very reason. I hazard to traverse a landscape of non-sequiturs. That said, the “robust” history of the quiche is duly noted, which I suppose supports the topic at hand tangentially. Clearly, men are endowed (heh) with certain masculine qualities that are etched into the very history of quiche and quiche-making. Again, it doesn’t meet the definition of “real man” though. Sans any impact analysis (i.e. it is more important for a real man to exhibit prudence v. it is more important for men to demonstrate a love for the robust past of the German, Swiss, and French pastry,) I can’t really decide off the arguments presented alone.
Pro offers another argument related to the golden ratio that seems to be… well…
“1. A Fabricator God has his signature in creation by virtue of the golden ratio.
2. The making of quiche exhibits the use of the golden ratio.
3. Therefore, when the Fabricating God makes quiche, He is a real man.”
I’m a tad befuddled to say the least. While I buy that the golden ratio exists, and might be a product of the Fabricator God, how does this pertain to “real men?” This isn’t exactly sterling logic, but it is a debate meant to elicit a laugh, which I guess worked. However, who is to say that a quiche needs to follow the ratio? Couldn’t different recipes follow a separate ratio? These arguments are never made by Con, so I’m counting this argument as cogent regardless. In fact, Con drops this argument in its entirety.
Con has one other argument that must be discussed: personal rights. Nothing in the resolution compels someone to eat quiche. While Pro is erecting an arbitrary distinction between real and unreal men based off quiche creation and consumption, he never browbeats anyone. Con claims abusiveness, and I suppose the resolution could have been clearer, but this is a case that needed to have been made earlier in the round with substantial warrant.
This is an occasion in which I changed who I deem the victor in the middle of my RFD. Con drops too much of Pro’s arguments and places too much stock into an argument about personal rights that has little impact. Good debate! You folks are funny.
I understand how good your other points are, but otherwise, your debate is unfair. Your side is "men can eat and make quiche" and mine opposes that.
"Making quiche is the real man part, or real woman, for that matter. Making it is the point, and if you've never made it, you just don't know."
So you are claiming that every single human should make Quiche? I oppose that as
1. I don't like quiche. just personal preferences.
2. I don't need to make a quiche to live a good life. minute-cooked rice suffices.
No problem
thanks for voting
I dont support debates. Votes are vanity.
You're all qualified to vote. Why no votes with only one day remaining; why just commentary? Come on, does this truly deserve a tie? I'm not trolling for votes; vote by the standards, and may the best debate arguments win.
REAL MEN ONLY CONSUME MICROWAVABLE QUINOA.
I'm afraid, my friend, you missed the entire point of the debate. It is not about only eating quiche, or not eating it, yet that seems to be, other than getting in weeds with rights and gender, the thrust of your argument. Making quiche is the real man part, or real woman, for that matter. Making it is the point, and if you've never made it, you just don't know.
"A real man" or "real men" is an idiom that is subjective interpreation, but often associating the "real man" as a standard of good or attractive qualities.
Idiom a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Real%20Man
For the record, you were right, they were frittatas. They had the consistency of the plastic bag it came in. After the Covid-19 virus stops travelling the world and looks back nostalgically on its short life before fading away satisfied with the carnage it caused, I'll try to find a decent establishment that sells it. (Florida has always been into Cuban and Asian food, but I'll find something.)
I've made vindaloo. It's fabulous! good all.
Real men eat vindaloo for breakfast.
"that the world was excessively masculine, and men were blamed for it,"
That is still going on today
I will use comments as I please, thanks. Comments are not part of the debate. Yes, I use PMs frequently. You'll notice I did not direct #5 to anybody
I know I have commented too much, but hey this is not a cooking website. this is a debating website and the present debate cares not how the quiche is made. You realize you can message that guy instead of making it on public ground.
Ah, welcome User! Let's have fun with this one. Yes, I agree, we debate the title, not the description. Good luck [although I really don't understand why you oppose. Never ate a good quiche, I guess. Well, there's still time, my friend. To the kitchen, then! or not...
Sorry, I was 3 minutes late whatsoever.
"Store-bought frozen???? Yeechhh! If that was your only taste of quiche, you were royally ripped off. It is highly possible that what you had was a frittata masquerading as a quiche. I've had some bad frittata, and some bad quiche [neither out of my kitchen. Get thee to a patisserie"
The title concerns not the qualify of the quiche and that means a $1 quiche at the dollar store still counts. You did not specify how good the quiche has to be, and store-bought is still better than a man that can't make them and cannot go to a friend's house because of a quarantine.
eh bien, passionnés de quiche, ma recette pour quiche lorraine, le classique! That double 'rr' better be deep in the back of the throat, this isn't spanish.
can't give you my wife's pie crust recipe; it's a trade secret, but it's buttery, flakey decadence. Sorry, you're on your own.
the custard:
in a bowl, combine:
1.25 C cream Damn you, if you use milk, you are not my friend! Just put away your cholesterol counter, okay? This is not an everyday meal.
4 eggs- fresh-cracked
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp black pepper
1/4 tsp FRESH GRATED nutmeg. if you shake it from a glass jar - I don't care who the label is - you are not my friend
1 Tbs flour - best fresh ground, not store bought, but who has a wheat grinder besides me, and several million of my LDS friends?
blend with a wire whisk. No, do not use your electric blender. [in the kitchen, I'm a purist when it comes to custards. Treat your eggs with respect.
Set aside, you'll be back to it in a minute.
1 C fresh grated cheese. I do a blend, 3/4 C gruyère, 1/4 emmentaler [swiss, but if you find emmentaler, buy it. You're likely not to find g pre-grated. if you do, I wouldn't buy it, anyway.
six slices bacon, pre-cooked until just crisp, then broken into small [1/2" to 3/4"] This can be prepared in advance in stored in a tight container [zip-loc will do] in the fridge.
six crimini [button] mushrooms, sliced 1/4"
Set oven to bake at 350˚ F
If you're making a fresh crust, pre-bake while the oven warms up, about 5 min., then remove. Do the same if you're using a frozen pie crust. Use the deep-dish variety.
Layer the cheese, bacon, and mushroom, a little of each in each layer util you've filled the crust. Do not tamp down, you wanty the custard blen to fill in and around.
RE-whisk the custard mix, and pour it slowly, moving your bowl around over the cheese bend to near the top [don't over flow - you have to pick up the bloody thing to put it in the oven.
Melt 1 Tbs of butter [yes, BUTTER] and pour it slowly around over the surface. If you like, add a few grates of more nutmeg
Bake for 25 minutes - use a timer. Apple HomePod is good, but if you prefer Google, or Aria, or whatever her name is, go ahead. Who's gonna know?
Depending on your oven [I know mine, but all bets are off on yours] open the door and check you quiche with a toothpick. You're likely to need a little more time, may five minutes or so - every oven id different. You're looking for a semi-firm golden brown custard. If it still is soupy, bake more, but WATCH IT. You don't want scrambled eggs. Take it out, let it set for 5 min om the counter, and EAT. slice like an apple pie.
instead of the bacon, you can try caramelized onion, flaked salmon, crab, shrimp, lobster, or whatever floats your boat. Do a veggie with asparagus, broccoli, whatever.
Remember the title is the title, and nothing in the description can replace the title.
Store-bought frozen???? Yeechhh! If that was your only taste of quiche, you were royally ripped off. It is highly possible that what you had was a frittata masquerading as a quiche. I've had some bad frittata, and some bad quiche [neither out of my kitchen. Get thee to a patisserie
You know, I ended up eating store bought frozen quiche one time and got sick, which may have turned me off from egg dishes for the rest of my life. Good luck! Don't let my sacrifice be in vain!
This is a whimsical debate, but, once launched, I will apply the full measure of my argument. Seriously. To me, quiche deserves the effort. Hint: my secret: fresh nutmeg.