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#1945

Robert Bruce's son, William De Brus, is on the Falkirk rolls, fighting for the English, which probably means, Robert De Brus (Robert Bruce) was on side with the English

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After 7 votes and with 31 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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I understand i have lost this debate.
I am not going to try and change definitions.
And even in the event someone votes for me, i shall make sure the vote gets removed and oromagi is to win.
I dont want my rating to fall any lower just now, as i am new to the site and have not accumulated many points yet. Therefore i shall play it out. Oromagi will have to be patient to receive his victory.
But oromagi "has" won.

Alrighty.

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@Melcharaz

There is no debate going to take place.
I have roped myself in to arguing about something i do not even believe.
I have no opinion on Robert de Bruce, other than that he was a Catholic Norman, that waged war in Scotland, and was just one small part of the Norman conquests that seeked self interests above his station, and conned and conived to get it.
I do not even look upon myself as Scottish. I look upon myself as British, and have great admiration for the Norse. I am part Norse myself. So not anti-norman... However i kind of spat the dummy when i got defeated on the last thread.
I had hoped that the thread would just fizzle out in to a draw. As defeat would be a sore one.
But i got defeated, so i grinned and bared it and congratulated my opponent and hoped the thread would just fall.
However when the debate began in the comment section i had this overwhelming urge to go right through the Falkirk rolls and find something on this Robert Bruce. What i found was what i already knew. And that is his Norman relative.
However in haste i wringfully attributed this relative as being his son, forgetting William is not Willam, and William was son of Robert Bruce of annandale, But Robert Bruce of annandale is also the Great Great grandfather of the Robert the Bruce in question.
So in haste, i boobed, because i forgot to stay composed, and do the research first.
I usually research everything before writing.
But there will be no redifining.
No debate.
The instant i pressed publish i realised i had made an error

Since yall both went over this information recently, there should be no need for redefining unless there is new information or arguements added.