Instigator / Pro
Points: 6

There should not be rap battles in Dart

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After 2 votes the winner is ...
Discipulus_Didicit
Debate details
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Time for argument
Two days
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Contender / Con
Points: 14
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Round 1
Published:
I would let my opponent prove why rap battles are debates. Yeah, speeches aren't debates, and there is no evidence shown other than assumptions that usually rhymes with some kind of stink-crammed insult. 

Now, what is a debate anyways? This is Dart, Successor of DDO, a site for people sharing ideas through debating.
Definition from a dictionary: "a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward."

Most rap battles on Dart are not debating consider it is not formal and there are no sides(well they make it up and there is no clear objective), and there is no opposition, just competition that is either unrelated or insult-wise, which is not formal.

Also, using an alternating definition, there should not be rap battles on a dart you throw consider, what's the purpose? It is optional to answer this question because this is for lols. If you can't defeat my points above, then come here and try.
Published:
I should start by pointing out a few things. Firstly my opponent claims that I need to prove that rap battles are debates. Due to what the resolution of this debate is I am forced to conclude based on my opponents argument against rap battles being debates that my opponents line of reasoning is something akin to the following:

1) Rap battles are not debates
2) Things that are not debates should not be allowed on DART
3) Therefore rap battles should not be allowed on DART.

If my opponent has some line of reasoning other than the one above then I advise they lay it out clearly in the next round. So far however the only statement they have made is "rap battles are not debates".

My opponent seems to assume that I must disagree with point one and so they have defended point one extensively during their first round, to the exclusion of any other point or argument on their part. However, dear voter, I will say that I actually agree that point one is correct. It is point two that I have a problem with.

If we agree with point two then we are forced to do away with many things that make DART great. Debates, you see, are indeed the core of DART but they are not the only thing DART has to offer. The forums of DART also include a community of forum gamers, non-formal discussion on a variety of topics, people that just like hanging out in general, etc. These things are done away with if we agree that anything not a debate should not be allowed (such as the above syllogism implies).

There are of course a variety of things that do not qualify as debates and also should not be allowed on DART. Many of these things in fact are specifically outlined in the code of conduct. This includes harassment, doxxing, etc.


I would agree that such things should not be allowed on DART. However the reason for disallowing such things should not be "because it isn't debate" as my opponent implies above, for the reasons I have already given. Therefore I propose the following line of reasoning:

1) Rap battles are not debates.
2) Things that are not debates should be either allowed or disallowed based on some established criteria other than whether it is a debate or not.
3) Therefore rap battles should be either allowed or disallowed based on some criteria other than whether it is a debate or not.

As the only argument my opponent has made thusfar is "rap battles aren't debates" I am left without any criteria to make the judgement of whether rap battles should be allowed. I will therefore end my current round and allow my opponent to establish such a judgement criteria for us to use.
Round 2
Forfeited
Published:
I accept your forfeit.
Added:
Round one complete. Two directions pro could take from here:
1) Differentiate between allowing things as debates versus allowing things on the forums
2) Come out with the real reason they dislike rap battles and say they should not be allowed on those grounds.
Easy round two for me either way.
Contender
#13
Added:
--> @User_2006
Anything harmless that's fun should be legal. Anything that only harms those doing it and any consenting party should also be legal. In a rap battle, people consent to being insulted, so it's fine.
#12
Added:
--> @User_2006
I will give some advice to you before I post my first round.
I will do this because I am a nice guy.
Here is my advice...
The resolution says "should", not "could". Therefore you should use your next round to try convincing the voters that there should be no rap battles on DART.
You have not tried to do that yet.
This is all the advice I will give to you.
You are welcome.
I will post my argument shortly.
Good bye.
Contender
#11
Added:
--> @Discipulus_Didicit
I hate to give my position away, but your side is "There SHOULD be rap battles on Dart". it is not "Rap battle should be ALLOWED". Different wording changes. former as to spoonfeeding poison is the latter as to legally allow making poison, but not spoonfeeding it. Unless you are arguing that there absolutely should be rap battles on Dart, then you'd lose.
Instigator
#10
Added:
--> @Discipulus_Didicit
Look at the title. it is "should" not "could". People can smoke weed but should they? no. I can legally allow marijuana but that does not mean I encourage them.
Instigator
#9
Added:
Lol by accepting this debate I am not saying that rap battles are debates, I am saying that rap battles should be allowed on DART. If you wanted to argue whether rap battles are debates then make a debate about whether rap battles are debates (that is not what you did here).
Easy win for me, sadly. I was looking forward to a challenge. Will post my first round after I get off work in 8 hours or so.
Contender
#8
Added:
--> @User_2006
"Fun? Stealing is fun, going on drugs is fun, killing is fun and masturbating is fun for some people, but that doesn't make it good to be done. I believe rap battles aren't debates, just like stealing and smoking weed are not moral behavior."
But those are bad things that are pursuited for good goals(i.e fun)
Rap battles are goof things pursuited for good reasons
#7
Added:
--> @oromagi
Wanna take this debate? well, I am nervous if you do, but you will get a GG from the back of me.
Instigator
#6
Added:
What's funny is that there are no rap battle debates in progress. A year ago, there were many rap battles going on all the time and now, when there are none, the objection arises.
#5
Added:
--> @Alec
Fun? Stealing is fun, going on drugs is fun, killing is fun and masturbating is fun for some people, but that doesn't make it good to be done. I believe rap battles aren't debates, just like stealing and smoking weed are not moral behavior.
Instigator
#4
Added:
--> @User_2006
Rap battles are fun.
#3
Added:
--> @Phenenas
You just gotta say this to DDO also, but I accidentally deleted the account so instead, I am here.
Instigator
#2
Added:
Thank you. This site has so much potential, but god, is it wasted.
#1
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Technically a FF as this was only a 2-round debate.
Beyond that, con defends the presence of many things other than debates on this website; which is completely dropped with full opportunity for rebuttals.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full Forfeit by Pro. He also wound up dropping all of Con's points.