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Zelda is hotter than Peach
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This debate is a continuation of "https://www.debateart.com/debates/1348/is-peach-or-zelda-hottest-greater-dddddd". The opponent can search this "Link" up as thoroughly as they possibly need to.
Both persons argue from Odyssey and BotW on the Switch as canon. Older games are not used as canon as that they are outdated lore.
Round 1
Pro
#1
Definitions: Hot:
1) High in temperature
2) (Especially in females) Attractive
In the first round, I will debate the first definition, so if my opponent had come with the second definition, I have some time to preserve my argument and not let everything out so that I will not fatigue my brain with an overload of the logical operation.
As I have said, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Breath of the Wild is counted as Canon. I expect my opponent to have played both games before. I have played both games, and although I am unable to share, I can use the web to express what I would do since, in 100% runs, every single detail that could support me(or even you) would be existent, and that I would just need to put the time of the video to let you know.
So here on start, I will start proving the PRO side: Why Zelda has a higher temperature than Peach. You are to prove that Peach is hotter than Zelda.
In an Any% speedrun of Odyssey, about one hour is needed. An Any% speedrun of BotW takes about half an hour or one in-game-day. A BotW day is about 24 minutes, the time a casual player needs to wander around the castle's library, beat Vah Naboris, or complete the hardest of the side quests(such as the Tarrey Town one).
This is on top of Zelda being in the castle 100 years more than Peach. Before Mario Odyssey's plot happens, Peach was in her temperate kingdom of Super Mario 64 in between releases of games. Peach was not in any place too hot unless you are talking about Mario Sunshine and other games in Bowser's castles, in which either one takes less than 100 years. This is on top of that Peach is held captive by Bowser, in which Peach had little to no movements other than struggling to get out, and after some time, she, presumably, would stop consider Peach was not a warrior and she only has the energy to submit to Bowser, and no, political power is not physical power. Ganon is very powerful but otherwise, a very terrible ruler as Hyrule is either in tyranny or anarchy. Peach is politically adequate but lacks the physical power to combat Bowser.
Also, Mario days... days?? DAYS? A lack of them, maybe. You'd never see the Cascade Kingdom in its 3 am counterpart, nor Lost Kingdom under the sun. Time would pass, but either way, it is less than 100 years.
What else I have to prove is that Ganon's castle is hot. In the castle, there was a kind of poisonous liquid called Malice, a substitute for Lava. Many poisonous liquids burn you, such as the sulphuric acid or some astatine compounds. Malice presumably would burn you too, and these things are on the floor, on the ceiling, and on Ganon himself. Stepping on it would burn you harshly in the form of losing hearts, and being exposed to it would make discomfort, presumably. Link may have ancient armor upgraded 2 times, but Zelda has not. She fought Ganon for 100 years without any piece of flame breaker armor. Just being exposed to malice for 100 years would have made a very high temperature for her.
This is on top that Zelda actually fights. She FIGHTS meaning she moves drastically. Since we know that exercising makes your average temperature hotter, Zelda would have a higher temperature than Peach, consider Peach doesn't really move a lot in Odyssey. Well, she does, but the fact she appears in non-moon core locations makes her less hot than Zelda consider some of her traveling places are temperate or even cool.
Conclusion: Peach is less hot than Zelda since she is exposed to hot substances for less time.
Con
#2
Definitions: Hot:1) High in temperature2) (Especially in females) Attractive
Good enough definitions.
Contention 1 :
Premise 1: Peach is a brighter character than Zelda.
Premise 2: Brighter characters give off more energy.
Premise 3: Heat is a type of energy and is given off in a proportional way with Mario characters.
Conclusion 1: Peach has more heat than Zelda and is therefore hotter on a temperature scale.
In terms of attractiveness, Peach is hotter than Zelda. Peach looks more attractive. She has a smaller waist, and tends to give off a happier disposition, 2 attractive traits in females.
Due to the title of this debate, "Zelda is hotter than Peach", the BoP rests on my opponent to prove why Zelda is hotter than Peach. In the event of him failing to do so, or even them being the same level of hotness, I win by default.
Fortunately, my opponent provided justification as to why he thinks Zelda is hotter:
Peach is less hot than Zelda since she is exposed to hot substances for less time.
I could argue that because Zelda is exposed to hot stuff more often, it actually means that her body has to produce less heat to stay at 37 degrees Celsius, therefore making Peach naturally hotter because she has to burn more energy to stay at a constant temperature. Just as Europeans tend to have a hotter core temperature than Africans do because they live in climates to where they must burn more energy to survive, the same applies in this situation. Send a European to Africa, and they are more likely to die of heatstroke than any native African person. Send an African to Europe, and they are more likely to freeze to death during a cold winter than the Europeans who are used to the climate.
Since Peach has had more experience with colder temperatures and she is brighter on screens, plus more attractive, she meets both definitions of being hot; being warmer in temperature and being attractive.
Source:
Round 2
Pro
#3
I know that you haven't been debating as often as in the good old times, but I understand that you are still a worthy opponent, especially more than LittleCookie08.
Refutation 1:
Since Peach has had more experience with colder temperatures and she is brighter on screens, plus more attractive, she meets both definitions of being hot; being warmer in temperature and being attractive.
Let me first refute the "Colder" part of the sentence.
1. I did not say her internal temperature, but on average. I agree that Peach is warmer in the guts, but she is less hot on the skin. Let me give you more evidence.
Peach goes to snow kingdom, as to this image. On the contrary, Zelda never goes to Hebra. These places are the coolest within the map. Click this to see the video As that this is a debating website, everything shall be backed with evidence. I understand that Zelda may have gone to these cold places, but otherwise, there is a lack of evidence. A lack of evidence means it can be deemed nonexistent. Dinosaurs could have roamed in the base of Empire State Building, but a lack of fossils would make it deemed not true. Again, you HAVE to prove to me that Zelda went to Hebra because those are the places that she should have went to be less hot.
Just to make it clear, Rito village is the most un-cold place of Hebra, so it doesn't count.
Memory 2 suggests that Zelda went to Goron City. Goron City is a hot place. Going there means she is hot at one point, especially with a lack of flame breaker armor(and no, I know death mountain back then isn't as hot, but it is still not cold).
The memory with Urbosa and the one with the Yiga Clan made it clear that Zelda went to Gerudo, also a pretty hot place. Going to these two places means Zelda is hot at some point 100 years ago. This is minus my last point, where Zelda's daily exercise is slaughtering monsters around the malice that burns.
Again, peach does appear in a place that does have something similar to malice, Lost kingdom, but she doesn't have the monsters' heat nor the movement. She just kind of hang out there and stand there. Luncheon kingdom, the same. Peach is always standing in a place where the least heat is transferring. You might say that Peach has a higher internal temperature, but the fact she is afraid to face the temperature of the malice makes her skin, well, less hot. No matter how cold the internal temperature is, as long as the external temperature is hot enough to bring up the average temperature, that one will be hotter.
Who is hotter? Zelda. Exercise, Monster heat. Malice. External temperature is MUCH higher than Peach's. Exposed to as much heat makes your "Zelda's internal temperature" false. Zelda had been having heat for about 100 years. Peach's external temperature is low enough to make her comfortable in her 64-bit castle, but Zelda is fighting for her life every single day, signifying there is danger and the heat is difficult to handle. On the contrary, Peach had never shown discomfort for the castle's lava exposure, which means she experiences less of the hotness. So this either means:
1) Peach's castle environment is less hot than Zelda's Ganon castle;
2) Peach is less hot internally, meaning her internal temperature is less than Zelda.
Zelda has more discomfort handling the heat, meaning that either her environment is hotter, or her internal temperature is higher. Either way, she is hotter, physically speaking. The one who has more discomfort handling the heat is hotter, simply.
Refutation 2:
In terms of attractiveness, Peach is hotter than Zelda. Peach looks more attractive. She has a smaller waist, and tends to give off a happier disposition, 2 attractive traits in females.
While I don't disagree about the smaller waist, the bright-colored dress she always wears is reflecting light more than Zelda's dull blue shirt. Peach's dress covers less skin than Zelda's tunic. Peach had less absorbed light(she is also whiter, which don't you dare to call it racist), meaning she is relatively less hot.
Your source is Super Smash 4, which uses not the Breath of the Wild Zelda, but the Twilight Princess. BotW and TP Zelda are two different things, having different character models with different articles of clothing.
This image shows one attractive point of BotW Zelda. You agreed to use BotW Zelda as canon. In the picture, it is shown that Zelda is hot by having a bigger butt. The "Press A to Mount" meme came from here.
Now, an actual survey.
Internally(not just a good butt), Zelda is better, being able to be a leader. Peach is a bad leader because she can't even afford to get herself security to prevent Bowser. Zelda is better, with the potential to fight at least one divine beast, and even to fend off guardians. Peach can't do that! Peach is dependent, bound to Mario, and Peach is much weaker compared to Daisy and Zelda consider Peach didn't dare to even lay a single finger on Bowser.
Peach is not that much of a great girl. She is canonically caught cheating with Bowser(hence there is that one good Mario Kart character: Bowser Jr.). Zelda's loyalty and even faith in her love interest(Link) wins. Zelda is responsible. In the times of the war, she stands up to Ganon. Peach, on the other hand, is just plain anarchy and Mario is the one who provides the main political, physical, and every other aid for the kingdom, and Peach doesn't recognize Mario's ability. Mario can easily be a king or prince but nope! Mario to Peach is just a peasant and servant to her.
Conclusion:
1. Zelda has more pain dealing with the heat, meaning her temperature is higher, or that she is hotter.
2. Zelda has more qualities to be considered "Hot" than Peach. Peach has many qualities that are not hot.
The rest is up to you.
Con
#4
“I did not say her internal temperature, but on average. I agree that Peach is warmer in the guts, but she is less hot on the skin. Let me give you more evidence.”
In their respective environments, they tend to have about the same temperature. However, put them in the same environment, and the one who is more adapted to less warm temperatures (Peach) ends up being hotter.
“While I don't disagree about the smaller waist, the bright-colored dress she always wears is reflecting light more than Zelda's dull blue shirt.”
Since they are cartoon characters, the brighter they are, the more light they give off. Darker objects tend to be hotter only when no light is given off. When light is given off, the opposite is true. This is why white stars are the hottest type of star and the darker the star in color, the less hot it is.
Now, an actual survey.
I can’t access the link. Sorry.
Peach is not that much of a great girl. She is canonically caught cheating with Bowser(hence there is that one good Mario Kart character: Bowser Jr.).
Peach cheated, but the people who tend to cheat on their spouses tend to be attractive because if you’re unattractive, no one would want to cheat on you, therefore you don’t end up cheating. Not all attractive people cheat, but all people who cheat have to be somewhat attractive, otherwise they can’t cheat to begin with. Therefore, Peach’s cheating experience is evidence that she is more hot.
Good debate though. I wish you good luck in general with stuff.
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Reason:
C1:
Deductively, the one who works out frequently is raising their temperature, then sweating to cool it back down to maintain equilibrium. This gives Zelda the edge of average temperature. I do think the color scheme was decently argued, I was just not convinced about the degree (if you'll pardon of the pun) of difference it would make.
C2:
This gets into some really subjective territory, such as if cheating makes someone more or less attractive... Looking at the offered photos, neither is attractive by human standards, but in my opinion Peach is more unattractive.
If ever doing this again, I suggest more pictures, and less game-play details. Also if using videos, tell us which time segment to watch.
No.
Do you know about Zelda?
I honestly don't know too much about the Mario games to begin with.
I just revisited this place and found out how Alec could easily win this debate:
1. State that Gerudo Desert is as cold in the night as it is hot in the day
2. Inquire the evidence that Malice creates heat since no concrete evidence is there
3. Inquire if Peach even cheat in Canon
4. Give another criterion for hot women that makes Peach hotter than Zelda, consider there is no proof of mine is better than his.
5. State that Zelda, for 100 years, does not take human form until Ganon is dead and this form, made out of pure magic, could withstand everything, including heat
Sadly, Alec did none of those and I won.
ofc better, we didn't even finish. the original debate is this one:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/1107/is-peach-or-zelda-hotest-greater-ddddddd
That's the og.
Is this good, or better than yours?
Hey that's my debate!
I'm gatorade btw
May drop a vote on this
"Peach cheated, but the people who tend to cheat on their spouses tend to be attractive because if you’re unattractive, no one would want to cheat on you, therefore you don’t end up cheating. Not all attractive people cheat, but all people who cheat have to be somewhat attractive, otherwise, they can’t cheat, to begin with. Therefore, Peach’s cheating experience is evidence that she is hotter."
What kind of reasoning is that? First off, attractiveness is subjective, whereas body temperature isn't. The example of how many times a person is cheated on doesnt show attraction, it show commitment. There are many faithful wives that are attractive and never have been cheated on or cheated with others. Idk what kind of reality you live in, but its a false one.
"In their respective environments, they tend to have about the same temperature. However, put them in the same environment, and the one who is more adapted to less warm temperatures (Peach) ends up being hotter."
First off, they never were put in an environment in which they have the same temperature. We agreed to use BoTW and Odyssey as Canon information, and Peach never went to a place as hot as Zelda did. Remember that Zelda has been fighting in the castle, tirelessly or tired, suffering through the hotness of the malice(which burns as painful as the lava) and the monsters(who have fire and bomb arrows). We never specified that we are talking about the inside temperature. We are talking in general. If Zelda has a cod heart but a layer of skin almost burnt off, then Zelda has an overall higher temperature consider the castle is MUCH higher in temperature that would be enough to bring up the temperature.
"Since they are cartoon characters, the brighter they are, the more light they give off. Darker objects tend to be hotter only when no light is given off. When light is given off, the opposite is true. This is why white stars are the hottest type of star and the darker the star in color, the less hot it is."
First off, Peach and Zelda are people, not stars. Peach has more of a white skin than Zelda, plus that Peach wears clothes that are less dull, she would absorb less heat and refract them from her body. Before you ask that that is the same as arguing that Peach is hotter in the guts(which I agree), that is NOT. The heat just reflects off her, meaning that the heat is outside her. Meanwhile, Zelda's heat has been at least on her skin, plus that the heat of the lava/malice is MUCH hotter than one reflected off a pink dress, thus Zelda is still hotter.
"I can’t access the link. Sorry."
Then you'd miss at least 1 point of why Peach is less hot, made by me.
"Peach cheated, but the people who tend to cheat on their spouses tend to be attractive because if you’re unattractive, no one would want to cheat on you, therefore you don’t end up cheating. Not all attractive people cheat, but all people who cheat have to be somewhat attractive, otherwise, they can’t cheat, to begin with. Therefore, Peach’s cheating experience is evidence that she is hotter."
Keep in mind the canon of this debate is BotW and Odyssey. Peach cheated in Sunshine, which was about 15 years ago. Peach before cheating could be hot, but the fact that she DID cheat in the PAST means that Peach is deducted her hotness by just cheating. I have proven Zelda is hotter (attractive) in my 2nd round, and also, comparing a woman who was loyal to the very end(Zelda) versus a spoiled girl who just wanders around and gets assaulted by an evil turtle(Peach), I think the former would prevail in how attractive it is.
You have failed to prove why Zelda was less hot than Peach, and because Zelda is stronger and more independent, it means that Zelda is even hotter than Peach.
True, but I'm rusty, and I've been getting tired more than usual, so that might make things even.
Rosalina is hotter than peach and zelda
Alec is MUCH more experienced than you are, so shut yourself and see us debate.
indeed
This is going to be fun I think.
ill pm you somethin that'll shut you up
Am I wrong? Truth sometimes hurts.
noooooo
Ok, that is false. Rosalina lives in the comet observatory, which acts as a fictional ISS. Inside the comet observatory, it is as comfortable as back on earth.
The comet observatory is about 22-28 degrees celsius, which means Rosalina is not as hot as Peach and Zelda with boiling conditions at one point or another.
Rosalina lives in outer space, which is very cold, so she is out of the question. There is no way you are saying that Rosalina is even as hot as any of the two.
naw man Rosalina shits on both of these side hoes
say no more
Make the time for arguing 2 weeks and I might accept.