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Resolved: The US should cut alliances with Saudi Arabia

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Virtuoso
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Description
== Structure ==
1. Opening arguments
2. Rebuttals
3. Rebuttals
4. Closing
==Rules==
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2. Citations must be provided in the text of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final speeches
4. Observe good sportsmanship and maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling
6. No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)
7. For all undefined resolutional terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the logical context of the resolution and this debate
8. The BOP is evenly shared
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Round 1
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I would like to thank RationalMadman for accepting this debate.

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1. Saudi Arabia Human Rights Violations

Saudi Arabia has one of the worst track records of human rights in the Middle East. 

A. Apartheid

Saudi Arabia is nothing short of an apartheid state. Non-Muslims are forbidden from entering Mecca (1), women are segregated and forbidden from going out in public without a male and must sit in segregated cars on public transportation (2). 

B. War Crimes

Saudi Arabia has committed significant war crimes through the help of US military alliance. Most recently Saudi Arabia bombed a school bus in Yemen killing 40 innocent children from a bomb that was provided by America (3). It is estimated that over 100 children die every day in Yemen due to the ongoing conflict (4). The Obama and Trump administration sold billions of dollars worth in arms to Saudi Arabia which fuels this deadly and unnecessary conflict (5).  

2. Saudi Arabia has consistently sided with America's enemies

Most damming is their constant support for our enemies. 

A. 9/11

15 of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia (6). It is without a doubt that they got their help from the Saudi Arabia government. Brian Schatz notes:

the Saudis refused to give intelligence help to the United States without demanding sensitive information in return that could have damaged sources or intelligence collection. “According to some FBI personnel, this type of response is typical from the Saudis,” the report said. One FBI agent told the committee that “the Saudis have been useless and obstructionist for years.”
B. ISIS

It is apparent that the Saudis are backing and funding ISIS, one of the worst terrorist groups to have ever existed. A recently leaked document shows that the US government knows that the Saudis funded ISIS (7):

We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to Isis and other radical groups in the region
3. Summary

For the sake of human rights, the US cut needs to cut ties with Saudi Arabia. By continuing to support the Saudis we are supporting the worst crimes in Yemen. By supporting the Saudis we are also continuing to support their atrocious human rights violations. Saudi Arabia has shown consistently that they are not interested in supporting the US militarily. 

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I forgot about this debate, you can have the win I can't produce something good in 28 minutes.
Round 2
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Thanks 
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All I can say is I learned alot about you as a person from your reaction here.
Next time I won't wait until the Sunday, I will have a pre-prepared insta-post.

Round 3
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Vote pro 
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Very virtuous behaviour.
Round 4
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Vote pro
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Good luck Israel if this happens. You'll need it.
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I am not reporting the corrupt votes on this corrupt debate because of my corrupt memory.
Contender
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>Reported Vote: Armoredcat // Mod action: Not Removed
>Points Awarded: 4 points to Pro for arguments and conduct
>Reason for Decision: Con conceded the debate, FF´ed all the rounds, and he did not present an argument, so arguments and conduct to Pro.
>Reason for Mod Action: Concessions are not moderated unless the voter voted for the conceding side, which he did not do.
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>Reported Vote: Alex // Mod action: Not Removed
>Points Awarded: 5 points to Pro for arguments and sources
>Reason for Decision: Pro had an argument and used sources.
>Reason for Mod Action: Concessions are not moderated unless the voter voted for the conceding side, which he did not do.
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#14
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--> @RationalMadman
Truth be told I don’t really believe the position I argued for. I wanted to try a devil’s advocate/foreign policy debate.
Instigator
#13
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--> @Virtuoso
I think I laughed hardest at the fact that even though you're Jewish, you want the only alliance that has single-handedly ensured Israel isn't blown to smithereens to get cut. Was a good laugh.
Contender
#12
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--> @Virtuoso
nope
Contender
#11
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What did you think of my arguments
Instigator
#10
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--> @RationalMadman
It’s alright. I hope we can debate again sometime
Instigator
#9
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--> @Virtuoso
All I can say is I learned alot about you as a person from your reaction here.
Next time I won't wait until the Sunday, I will have a pre-prepared insta-post.
Contender
#8
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--> @Virtuoso
I forgot about this debate, you can have the win I can't produce something good in 28 minutes.
Contender
#7
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--> @RationalMadman
Fair enough. I like depth.
Instigator
#6
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--> @Virtuoso
Okay but my speech is going to be a lot longer than that. There's a huge abyss if depth to this.
Contender
#5
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--> @RationalMadman
Mind waiting till Sunday to post arguments?
Instigator
#4
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--> @RationalMadman
Lol. I think you're a fairly solid debater. Though to be fair the majority of your debates were with Type1. Anyone who loses to them should feel bad
Instigator
#3
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--> @Virtuoso
Because I suck but my rating doesn't? ;)
Contender
#2
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Con conceeded the debate.
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Con conceded the debate, FF´ed all the rounds, and he did not present an argument, so arguments and conduct to Pro.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro had an argument and used sources.