God hates homosexuality
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We are referring to the God of the Bible. We can use the bible as a source.
By definition, God had those qualities. Now let me prove why this claim would not be true.
- Omnipotence can be disproven as that:
- God cannot create a 16-sided triangle, nor a circle that has 90-degree angles. Those are, in definition, impossible.
- God cannot create a stone too heavy for his force.
- Since "being able to do nothing" is something theoretically possible to do. If God achieved said objective, he would not be omnipotent, If God CANNOT do it, then he is not omnipotent either.
- God would not need humans to seek out to him. if he is Omnipotent, really, then he would have a 24-hour running Q&A running on thought itself, being able to answer everything that could be asked. That is not the case, so either God is not omnipotent(making God not God at all), or the bible is lying(The God is not the Christian God).
This will be simple. First God hates the act of homosexuality (dudes fucking each other in the ass and sucking dick). I believe my opponent is going to concede the point the bible says that, but in case he doesn’t I will provide a few bible verses.
1 Corinthians 6:9–10.
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Right there, god hates faggy behavior.
Leviticus 18:22
'You (men) shall not lie with r a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Other areas condemning men taking It in the ass are
Leviticus 20:1
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Jude 6-7
Romans 1:18
Unfortunately I can’t spend too much time on this topic because my opponent has not only asked me to prove that the biblical God hates homosexuality, but that he in fact exists.
Concerning hate. What people should know is the bible was not originally written in English and that perfect translations of some words do not exist. The biblical word for hate is one of them.
We should use the word hate in the biblical context since this debate is about the Abrahamic, biblical God. In the bible the word hate means really to “love less than”. https://biblehub.com/topical/h/hate.htm
In modern parlance we use the word hate differently, so when we say god hates homosexuality in this debate it merely means that when it comes to your sex life, he would prefer you stick your dick in vagina than in a man’s ass. He may actually love for two men to fuck, but he just loves it less than a man and a woman fucking.
My opponent has provided no evidence that the God of the bible is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent it is defamation to claim God is any of those things. The definition of God is
“a spirit or being believed to control some part of the universe or life and often worshiped for doing so, or something that represents this spirit or being:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/god
It is hard to come up with a precise definition, but this definition is good, and I won’t be abusing it. The concept of an all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent God is not true, and not a biblical concept.
1. God is not all knowing
Genesis 11:4 -9 – Tower of Babel;: God “comes down” to see what the people are up to.
- Genesis
6:6 – And
it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart. An
omniscient LORD would have no reason to repent for he would have
known in advance how his creations would turn out.
- Genesis
18:20-21 –
“Then the LORD said,
“The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin
so grievous 21that
I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the
outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.””
2. god is not all powerful.
In Genesis 32, some random Jew gets challenged by God to a fist fight, and as bad as jews are at fighting the random Jew (Jacob) still managed to pretty much whip God’s ass.
3. God is not omnipresent, In the Garden of Eden he has no clue where adam and eve are and have to call out to them, only to find them hiding and he got pissed that they were covered and he could not see their genitals. Genesis 3:8-13
The christian God is not the strawman con sets up.
I guess Con’s main arguments are that God doesn’t exist. I want to address this in 2 ways. The first is by pointing out, the biblical God could be proven false by him and he would still lose this debate. The second part of the argument is to prove the biblical God exists. The second argument should be unnecessary and I am sacrificing characters to make it, but it is there for judges who just can’t understand the argument is not necessary.
1. Language sometimes implies things and sometimes it doesn’t. Anyone familiar with the english language knows that when I state Superman can fly, I am not saying superman exists. When I say that Spongebob wears square pants, it does not literally mean spongebob exists. If I say that Spock is a Vulcan, I am not saying that he or the Vulcan’s exist. I am merely explaining the attributes of the character. If God does not exist than saying he hates, fruitcakes, means the character God as portrayed in the bible hates fruits (fags).
Even Con understands this is how words work, because he states “God is not omnipresent”, so how can he attribute the quality of “not omnipresent” to God, if we can’t apply attributes to works of fiction? The answer is that he was trying to exploit an odd often untalked about attribute of the english language, and messed up by using the weird way language works to push his argument.
2. Jesus walks
We have a scholarly consensus that Jesus existed. https://www.debate.org/debates/Jesus-Existed/1/ It’s not really debatable, There are historians from that time who are trusted today and wrote of Jesus, such as Josephus Paul and Tacitus, to name a few, but certainly not an exhaustive list of historians who were aware of Jesus when he lived. Besides this,
Jesus was seen as a deity, and yet we have mundane things that make him look bad included in the bible. If he was made up some of these things embarassing to believers should not have been placed in the bible. It is one thing to lie to make yourself sound good, but silly to lie about things that shame you. So historians usually give more merit to winesses who writ embarrassing facts about themselves. The disciples would repeatedly deny Jesus, He spoke ill of his own family referring to them as Satan once, he hung out with whores and tax collectors. When people lie it is not to make themselves look worse, so we can trust their testimony a lot more.
Jesus was resurrected
The entire basis of the christian religion is not that the bible is 100% accurate, or that God is good or anything like that. The religion is based on Jesus declaring himself God and then proving it by resurrecting himself from the dead.
We have witnesses to seeing the resurrected Jesus who knew him personally and believed they saw Jesus so much that they died rather than renounce that truth. http://magazine.biola.edu/article/13-fall/did-the-apostles-really-die-as-martyrs-for-their-f/
If these men and women were lying, they would not take the lie so far that they would subject themselves to torture and death.
Jesus appeared to crowds for 12 weeks after his resurrection and appeared before people who knew him personally and let them touch his wounds.
Think about this. Jesus was reported to have talked before crowds up to 500 people in corinthians. https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-6.htm
These words were written in 59 AD https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/newtestament/section7/
Jesus died in 33 AD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus
If somebody was lying about a crowd of 500 seeing jesus in 59 AD, as well as all the other sightings which contain specific geographic locations of these events than they would look like idiots to the people in those areas and be called on their shit. People who were 20 years old in 33 ad, would just be 59 when corinthians was written and call the newly formed “cult” on their shit.
The fact is Jesus is God and proved it by surviving death and by performing all of his miracles, and that Jesus would prefer if we don’t suck each others dicks. Vote pro
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.Right there, god hates faggy behavior.
We should use the word hate in the biblical context since this debate is about the Abrahamic, biblical God. In the bible the word hate means really to “love less than”. https://biblehub.com/topical/h/hate.htmIn modern parlance we use the word hate differently, so when we say god hates homosexuality in this debate it merely means that when it comes to your sex life, he would prefer you stick your dick in vagina than in a man’s ass. He may actually love for two men to fuck, but he just loves it less than a man and a woman fucking.
Argument: Both participants spent more time arguing the issue of God's existence than on the subject proposed, and both make the error of ignoring that if God is omniscient and omnipotent, He is compelled to use these powers to the maximum, always. Why should that be so? I cannot think of a single reason why He should. And to conclude, as both do, that God must use all His powers, always, and declare He does not exist on that basis, because, clearly, He does not use them as such, always, is a ludicrous conclusion that does not hold logic. In fact, however, Pro had some very convincing arguments in the first round against the actual subject of the debate, and woiuld have awarded point for argument to Pro on that basis. However:
Sourcing: About even, however, Pro made the error of referencing an earlier debate on the existence of Jesus, and used the referenced debate as substantiation of her argument, but that debate ended in a tie, negating the whole argument. Tie.
S&G: tie
Conduct: Since Pro forfeited the second round, and voting guidelines indicate that a person who forfeits the balance of the debate after the first round s declared having forfeited the entire debate. Point to Con, the winner of the debate.
I wish I had voted, so I could give the win to Singularity. Running a Kritik is always in poor taste, IMO, especially when you set up the debate yourself. It's just plain deceitful.
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Thank you. I reviewed the voting policy in detail before casting my vote and felt I was within the guidelines.
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Damn it. Thought I had more time
your using the omnipotence and omniscient paradox, two arguments that can be easily debunked
It is. He is mocking scripture. If you read the whole story, david and johnathan were like bros.
I think the quote on the bottom is made-up consider it matches no results on the internet.
Lol
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18
And David spake, "that is why Johnathan and I always do it standing up. Sometimes on chariots.... chariot sex is the best!" Samuel 69
Just ask mods to delete and try another debate. Use that title and put yourself as con or pro respectively. As long as debate isnt finished they can delete if both parties agree.
Admins have no control over whether you will do the ethical thing and instigate as pro. Here is how you do it. You instigate as pro and name the debate "god does not hate homosexuality "
If we are going by bible, then yes, God hates the sin of homosexuality.
"Never instigate as con mother fuckers. It is dumb, just reword it to be a pro statement"
Ask the admins and Debateart.Org the user please. It is 0 use to ask us.
Liberals: "God loves homosexuality"
Also Liberals: "When God says he hates homosexuality, ignore him because of separation of church and state"
Which is it liberals?
Never instigate as con mother fuckers. It is dumb, just reword it to be a pro statement
I do now. This changes my approach
You are on the PRO side of the debate, you realize that, right?
How can god hates homosexuals if he engages in sex with other men