I don’t even want
to get into how much of a piece of trash somebody has to be, to run
kritik on a resolution they created, especially when they implied in
the debate description that god exists. My first temptation is to run
a kritik on kritik’s themselves, but honestly most of the judges on
this site are borderline retarded and won’t be able to comprehend
it.
This will be simple.
First God hates the act of homosexuality (dudes fucking each other in
the ass and sucking dick). I believe my opponent is going to concede
the point the bible says that, but in case he doesn’t I will
provide a few bible verses.
1
Corinthians 6:9–10.
Or
do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor
the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God.
Right there, god
hates faggy behavior.
Leviticus 18:22
'You
(men) shall not lie with
r a
male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Other
areas condemning men taking It in the ass are
Leviticus
20:1Romans
1:26-27
1
Corinthians 6:9-10
Jude
6-7Romans
1:18
Unfortunately
I can’t spend too much time on this topic because my opponent has
not only asked me to prove that the biblical God hates homosexuality,
but that he in fact exists.
Concerning
hate. What people should know is the bible was not originally written
in English and that perfect translations of some words do not exist.
The biblical word for hate is one of them.
We
should use the word hate in the biblical context since this debate is
about the Abrahamic, biblical God. In the bible the word hate means
really to “love less than”.
https://biblehub.com/topical/h/hate.htmIn
modern parlance we use the word hate differently, so when we say god
hates homosexuality in this debate it merely means that when it comes
to your sex life, he would prefer you stick your dick in vagina than
in a man’s ass. He
may actually love for two men to fuck, but he just loves it less than
a man and a woman fucking.
My
opponent has provided no evidence that the God of the bible is
omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent
it is defamation to claim God is any of those things. The definition
of God is
“
a spirit or
being believed to control some part of
the universe or life and
often worshiped for
doing so, or something that represents this spirit or
being:”
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/god
It
is hard to come up with a precise definition, but this definition is
good, and I won’t be abusing it. The concept of an all knowing, all
powerful and omnipresent God is not true, and not a biblical concept.
1.
God is not all knowing
Genesis
11:4 -9 – Tower of Babel;: God “comes down” to see what the
people are up to.
- Genesis
6:6 – And
it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart. An
omniscient LORD would have no reason to repent for he would have
known in advance how his creations would turn out.
- Genesis
18:20-21 –
“Then the LORD said,
“The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin
so grievous 21that
I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the
outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.””
2.
god is not all powerful.
In
Genesis 32, some random Jew gets challenged by God to a fist fight,
and as bad as jews are at fighting the random Jew (Jacob) still
managed to pretty much whip God’s ass.
3.
God is not omnipresent, In the Garden of Eden he has no clue where
adam and eve are and have to call out to them, only to find them
hiding and he got pissed that they were covered and he could not see
their genitals. Genesis 3:8-13
The
christian God is not the strawman con sets up.
I
guess Con’s main arguments are that God doesn’t exist. I want to
address this in 2 ways. The first is by pointing out, the biblical
God could be proven false by him and he would still lose this debate.
The second part of the argument is to prove the biblical God exists.
The second argument should be unnecessary and I am sacrificing
characters to make it, but it is there for judges who just can’t
understand the argument is not necessary.
1.
Language sometimes implies things and sometimes it doesn’t. Anyone
familiar with the english language knows that when I state Superman
can fly, I am not saying superman exists. When I say that Spongebob
wears square pants, it does not literally mean spongebob exists. If I
say that Spock is a Vulcan, I am not saying that he or the Vulcan’s
exist. I am merely explaining the attributes of the character. If God
does not exist than saying he hates, fruitcakes, means the character
God as portrayed in the bible hates fruits (fags).
Even
Con understands this is how words work, because he states “God is
not omnipresent”, so how can he attribute the quality of “not
omnipresent” to God, if we can’t apply attributes to works of
fiction? The answer is that he was trying to exploit an odd often
untalked about attribute of the english language, and messed up by
using the weird way language works to push his argument.
2.
Jesus walks
We
have a scholarly consensus that Jesus existed.
https://www.debate.org/debates/Jesus-Existed/1/ It’s not really debatable, There are historians from that time who
are trusted today and wrote of Jesus, such as Josephus Paul and
Tacitus, to name a few, but certainly not an exhaustive list of
historians who were aware of Jesus when he lived. Besides this,
Jesus
was seen as a deity, and yet we have mundane things that make him
look bad included in the bible. If he was made up some of these
things embarassing to believers should not have been placed in the
bible. It
is one thing to lie to make yourself sound good, but silly to lie
about things that shame you. So historians usually give more merit to
winesses who writ embarrassing facts about themselves. The disciples
would repeatedly deny Jesus, He spoke ill of his own family referring
to them as Satan once, he hung out with whores and tax collectors.
When people lie it is not to make themselves look worse, so we can
trust their testimony a lot more.
Jesus
was resurrected
The
entire basis of the christian religion is not that the bible is 100%
accurate, or that God is good or anything like that. The religion is
based on Jesus declaring himself God and then proving it by
resurrecting himself from the dead.
We
have witnesses to seeing the resurrected Jesus who knew him
personally and believed they saw Jesus so much that they died rather
than renounce that truth.
http://magazine.biola.edu/article/13-fall/did-the-apostles-really-die-as-martyrs-for-their-f/If
these men and women were lying, they would not take the lie so far
that they would subject themselves to torture and death.
Jesus
appeared to crowds for 12 weeks after his resurrection and appeared
before people who knew him personally and let them touch his wounds.
Think
about this. Jesus was reported to have talked before crowds up to 500
people in corinthians.
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-6.htmThese
words were written in 59 AD
https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/newtestament/section7/Jesus
died in 33 AD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_JesusIf
somebody was lying about a crowd of 500 seeing jesus in 59 AD, as
well as all the other sightings which contain specific geographic
locations of these events than they would look like idiots to the
people in those areas and be called on their shit. People who were 20
years old in 33 ad, would just be 59 when corinthians was written and
call the newly formed “cult” on their shit.
The
fact is Jesus is God and proved it by surviving death and by
performing all of his miracles, and that Jesus would prefer if we
don’t suck each others dicks. Vote pro
I wish I had voted, so I could give the win to Singularity. Running a Kritik is always in poor taste, IMO, especially when you set up the debate yourself. It's just plain deceitful.
I have a spreadsheet which generates all that with just a few clicks.
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Damn it. Thought I had more time
your using the omnipotence and omniscient paradox, two arguments that can be easily debunked
It is. He is mocking scripture. If you read the whole story, david and johnathan were like bros.
I think the quote on the bottom is made-up consider it matches no results on the internet.
Lol
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18
And David spake, "that is why Johnathan and I always do it standing up. Sometimes on chariots.... chariot sex is the best!" Samuel 69
Just ask mods to delete and try another debate. Use that title and put yourself as con or pro respectively. As long as debate isnt finished they can delete if both parties agree.
Admins have no control over whether you will do the ethical thing and instigate as pro. Here is how you do it. You instigate as pro and name the debate "god does not hate homosexuality "
If we are going by bible, then yes, God hates the sin of homosexuality.
"Never instigate as con mother fuckers. It is dumb, just reword it to be a pro statement"
Ask the admins and Debateart.Org the user please. It is 0 use to ask us.
Liberals: "God loves homosexuality"
Also Liberals: "When God says he hates homosexuality, ignore him because of separation of church and state"
Which is it liberals?
Never instigate as con mother fuckers. It is dumb, just reword it to be a pro statement
I do now. This changes my approach
You are on the PRO side of the debate, you realize that, right?
How can god hates homosexuals if he engages in sex with other men