Instigator / Pro
7
1470
rating
50
debates
40.0%
won
Topic
#1984

Gay marriage should be allowed.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
3
Better sources
0
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

Fruit_Inspector
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
11
1632
rating
20
debates
72.5%
won
Description

So this is a debate. The topic is on the title position. Religious conservatives and homophobes are not encouraged. Personal feelings are to be inferior to social samples and anthropological evidence.

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@Fruit_Inspector

Thank you for your respectful and thoughtful objection.

In your objection, you point out how you deduced the number. The issue I had was that you attributed your deduction to those woman in a marriage.

You actually state "meaning that a majority of women do view reproduction as a priority in marriage." While you did qualify this at the beginning as a "lets say," it is still an appeal to science based on fraud. You imply that is an actual number. Perhaps your objective was to show there are two sides to the coin.

I read it as a deliberate misdirect, based on fake statistics. I may not have gotten your idea, so the only thing I could say it watch out for how your terms could be referenced :)

I do really appreciate how civil your objection was. Thank you;.

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@CaptainSceptic

I just want to quick address a statement in your judgment:
“Con manipulates the stats. Claiming by deduction 60% of women view reproduction as a priority for marriage. A made-up stat by Con. Tsk Tsk.”

I think it is wrong to say this was a stat manipulation or a made-up stat, not as a matter of opinion but of fact. I first pointed out how the stat was completely irrelevant to the debate. Then, I made a hypothetical argument (led by the statement “Just for the sake of argument though, let's say that 40%...”) showing how even the falsely inflated number worked in my favor because that still means 60% of women have children, leaving a majority who prioritized reproduction. Even my opponent agreed with this assertion in round 2, I quote:
“I will agree that more than 60% of the women want to reproduce”

I deduced this number because if 40% of women are childless, it seems self-evident that 60% would have children. If both me and my opponent agree upon the truthfulness of the assertion then I do not see how I can be guilty of manipulating the statistic - which was irrelevant and misleading in the first place - or of making one up.

I mostly point this out so that any future potential voters might allow this defense of my argument. You are entitled to your opinion on your judgment and I actually appreciate you taking the time to vote, even if it is not in my favor.

Bump to encourage voting.

Looks like this might end up as a tie 0-0....

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@User_2006

I'll refrain from arguing from a religious perspective for the purpose of this debate, as I think there is compelling evidence from other sources as well.

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@Barney

"Not encouraged" doesn't mean "discouraged". If I like the color black it doesn't mean I hate the color white.

People who study biology and social structure.

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@User_2006

"Religious conservatives and homophobes are not encouraged," who else is likely to accept?

I don't want a user who just FF's and feed me points. Give me some somewhat-worthy debaters.