5G is a ticking time bomb on health.
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5G is the 5th generation mobile technology, not the five GHz spectrum used in some 802.11 standards.
Ticking time bomb: "That negative health repercussions of 5G are a very substantial risk."
Substantial: Real and tangible rather than imaginary.
BOP: Both parties. Pro must demonstrate there is a substantial risk. and Con must demonstrate there is not. Failure of both results in a tie.
A MIMO antenna is an array. There is not one antenna, however a series of over 100 antennas in a CE, and thousands of antennas in a Base Station.
International Agency for research of cancer.https://www.iarc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf
In 2018 a study by the US National Toxicology Program, https://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/newsroom/releases/2018/november1/index.cfm shows that 2G and 3G EM can cause cancer in rats. While it might appear I am arguing against myself, I have to point out that this study focused on the maximum permitted levels of 3G, as a baseline, and then 4 times that amount as the upper end. Oh so the regulations are sound, one might say. This study shows two things.
- EM at current cm wavelength fields can cause negative biological responses.
- When you change the power, you have a significant impact on the risk. (pin here)
- Phone could have 128 antennas.
- Output of the phone is 2Watts max
- MIMO would focus that beam (away from the head for sure)
- SIDELOBES cause the problem. The spill radiation you get from the device exceeds a regular 3G or 4G phonecall. A 60-second call can equate to the same amount of calories energy as a glass of wine!!
- Various polarizations permits progradation even when not intended.
We will realize through demonstrable evidence that the congestion of 5G, and EM wavelength and power congestion never experienced in nature, will have negative biological consequences.
- Contention: 5G Improves Health
- One of the biggest indicators of overall health in a nation is how affluent it is. The World Bank states that
“Poverty is a major cause of ill health and a barrier to accessing health care when needed. This relationship is financial: the poor cannot afford to purchase those things that are needed for good health, including sufficient quantities of quality food and health care. The relationship is also related to… lack of information on appropriate health-promoting practices or lack of voice needed to make social services work for them.”
- 5G increases wealth worldwide, and thus positively impacts life expectancy worldwide.
Citing the WHO, “80% of children with cancer will survive in wealthy nations, while only about 20% will survive in low/middle income countries.” So, maybe while cancer rates are important, perhaps cancer survival rates we can more easily aim to improve.
- Refutations
- WHO Study
“The evidence was reviewed critically, and overall evaluated as being limited among users of wireless telephones for glioma and acoustic neuroma, and inadequate to draw conclusions for other types of cancers.”
“Looking at the relevant articles, one finds that the incidence of all brain cancers has been remarkably stable over a number of decades in various countries: U.S. (slight decrease – 1992 to 2014), Australia (stable - 1982 - 2014), Ireland (stable - 1994 - 2013), New Zealand (stable – 1995 to 2010), and Taiwan (decrease from 1999 to 2012).”
- NTP Study
"For the study, the animals were housed in special chambers so the researchers could control how much radiation they received. The animals were exposed to a total of 9 hours of radiation per day, in 10-minutes sessions. The radiation began in the womb or early in life and lasted for up to two years, which is most of the animals' lifetime.”
- NTP Study Conclusions
“Oh so the regulations are sound, one might say.”
“This study shows two things. 1. EM at current cm wavelength fields can cause negative biological responses. 2. When you change the power, you have a significant impact on the risk (pin here)”
- EU Committee Evaluation
“In 2018 the European Scientific Committee on Health, Environmental, and Emerging Risks highlighted that the negative risks of EM were high against ecosystems and species.”
“The effects of electromagnetic radiation have been generally well studied, however low frequency electromagnetic radiation is less well studied, hence the justification for introducing this an emerging issue.”
“The RF exposure they're allowed to receive is five times that of the general population, and there is no evidence that they have higher rates of cancer or any other health problems that could possibly be attributable to WiFi radiation than any other population of humans.”
Argument: My first impression was that Con missed the proposal's point on health because Con targeted economic health as a rebuttal. However, assuming "health" did not include econ health is reading too much into the proposal, so Con's parry is cleverly applied to rebut the personal health approach to which pro limited his argument. By forfeiture of the last 3 rounds, Con sealed the deal. points to Con.
Sources: A virtual tie in round 1, the only round in which sourcing was offered by either participant, but since Con's argument sources overwhelmed pro's sources, points to Con.
S&G: Con wins by volume of argument and, therefore, greater risk of losing S&G point, but did not.
Conduct: By full forfeiture, Pro loses conduct point.
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I am not sharp enough to read the argument and justify them sufficiently, but what I do know is that Pro forfeited.
Slam dunk.
Full Forfeit.
damn it
christopher_best
Who you gonna call?
What do ghostbusters have to do with 5G?
There is so much out there that is claimed to cause cancer [and little citation] that we'd best not leave the house. Except that we allow so much into the house from outside the house that inside the house is just as carcinogenic as outside the house. Maybe we should just stand in the doorway and hope for the best when the earthquake hits. It's probably a cancer, too.
Meanwhile, Michael Flynn is not only probably guilty, but is carcinogenic, too. Not that anyone would know it. No supporting data.
I'm having fun with this so far. I like the 5G topics
It is helpful to define some terms beforehand for the ease of judging. If you're going to use particularly technical terms definitions will be helpful, but discussing the electromagnetic spectrum and the like is inherent in the topic. Really, you can just use your best judgement.
谢谢 Ragnar
You certainly don't need to explain that humans depend on oxygen, or that there is such a thing as an electromagnetic spectrum. That said, when trying to show harm coming from one of those, some details to that harm will be important. On a debate about immediately converting the rain forests into TP, I might cite how much of the oxygen production on the planet comes from it (not the method trees use to do such); whereas my opponent would likely counter with how little oxygen we actually need (perhaps even using CPR to illustrate his or her point).
Clearly labeling parts of your argument can be very helpful. If you start explaining how the earth formed, I can skip ahead to something I don't need the background on, where my energy will be better spent.
Question for you guys. There are some very important scientific elements in my argument. Is it my obligation to explain those concepts, or can I just refer to them as a common understanding? Things like the electromagnetic spectrum, phase arrays, power measurements (watts, joules, calories). Do I have to provide proof of conversion equations etc?
I want to make sure that I provide enough information, without making it too assumption, or on the opposite too verbose.
Sorry for the noob question.
Nice setup.
Alright cool. Thank you and good luck
Done.
If you make the time for argument a week I will accept