Instigator / Pro
6
1266
rating
119
debates
15.97%
won
Topic
#20

Is MSG a problem?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
21
Better sources
2
14
Better legibility
4
7
Better conduct
0
7

After 7 votes and with 43 points ahead, the winner is...

David
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
49
1485
rating
91
debates
46.15%
won
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@Barney

I'm not really presenting anything. I thought it was hilarious when I followed your link in the votes tab and before I had a laugh about it I wanted to be reasonably insured against an "oh yeah well that was me numnuts" retort from T1.

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@Castin
@Barney

Actually it was partly plagiarism purely because I know that Pro was the guy who made the debate that Ragnar linked to and went by the name FactMachine (he's since been banned on the site and has ravaged it with alts) whereas the person he copied from was not him.

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@Castin

It's a nice hypothetical you present, but ultimately lacking in meaning.

Were they the same person, it would be on him to clarify (make a post to the original that he has changed his name...) and request a reevaluation. As of this moment, there is absolutely nothing to suggest they are the same person; plus he chose to present the arguments in the form of plagiarism, it would be an outright disrespect to his intellectual integrity to judge him otherwise.

That is aside from the obvious sloppy copy/paste job. That it's broken infers lack of access to the original writing (fresh copy/paste from the original writing, as opposed to how it was displayed on a random website, would lack the preponderance of errors).

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@Barney

Re: Plagiarism: How do we know Type1 isn't this WinstonC from createdebate?

Maybe I misread 'rodent literature' but the Janus faced wanker is still direct abuse.

I will vote on this as Drafterman's may well be taken down if the admin gets serious about vote moderation. I will be voting for Virtuoso and just need to word the justification properly.

I am posting this to confirm I will be voting as someone asked me on PM to vote here and I said I'd do so and want to be held to be a man of my word.

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@Type1

Very cool, and I just saw your argument. This will be a fun debate :D

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@Smithereens

I am a rapper, a lyricist and vocalist specifically. I wouldn't call myself a musician because I don't make instrumentals or anything like that.

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@Type1

Why? Are you a musician? Because I'm a musician too lol. It's why I accepted it. I'm looking forward to it now.

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@Smithereens

Interesting. Too bad you didn't take this debate. I'm afraid the odds will not be in your favour though in the lyrics debate, because I am an expert on the subject just as you are an expert in this.

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@Type1

I'm aware of the mouse studying you're referencing. You think that mice were treated with MSG and toxicity was observed. That's not what they did. They used neurons from mice in a cell culture and treated those cells with large amounts of MSG until they got a toxic effect. You can eat MSG all you want, but the amount that amount that will get into your brain is so small you literally have to inject it directly into your blood to get the effects you are suggesting.

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@Smithereens

Wow, so you're telling me MSG doesn't effect the brain at all?

I'm not a big fan of how the science was handled in this debate. Especially from you Pro. Your science is completely off. Glutamate in MSG is metabolised to glucose, lactate and aspartate when you digest it. Even if you directly injected it into your blood, the molecule is an anion and thus cannot enter the brain. Your entire case is based on the actions of glutamate as a neurotransmitter in the CNS, and that entire basis is completely false to begin with. You don't actually have case in this debate and Con has engaged your material under the assumption that it's underlying premises were true when he didn't have to.

If you'd like to do this topic again in future, please send me an invite. This is my field of study and I'm quite confident I could prove unequivocally that none of what you said here is correct.

Virtuoso is currently in the lead with the preponderance of evidence via credible sources both private and federal. Type1, your links are broken.