Instigator / Pro
13
1470
rating
50
debates
40.0%
won
Topic
#2052

Truth is subjective person to person

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
6
10
Better legibility
4
5
Better conduct
3
3

After 5 votes and with 20 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
33
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Description

To avoid the overuse and exploitation of semantic critiques, I will define the terms in the description section.
Truth: The quality or the state of being factually accurate
Subjective: Based on the observation and perception of the individual

When I said "Con's argument that perception can be true, using a graphic source..." I meant to say that was Pro's argument, and it fails.

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@pense

He has proven himself wrong throughout the debate, he had to take a very cynical and nihilistic outlook that denied anything being true, to win this debate and instead conceded that the truth was objective and that we interpret it wrong often.

I would have proven that he'd proven himself wrong, in the final Round where I'd run through the points and logic.

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@pense

I am genuinely convinced that only some truths can be changed and remain true. I am convinced that truth stays objective unless it is human construct, which it isn't.

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@User_2006

I did a quick read and honestly I don't understand why did you forfeit it. IMO, you're right. I was expecting a proof that truth is objective but I didn't find it.

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@User_2006

I will allege that the "truth" that the earth is flat is "not even close to reaching the truth," yet, it was believed as true. Show me. Show us in your arguments that truth is a human construct because I don't believe that, either. Nor that truth exists only by human language. Going to have to demonstrate that, too.

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@RationalMadman

That is why it is worth a debate. If it hints that truth is subjective directly to the debater then this debate will be an unfair one: Truism.

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@User_2006

Absolutely nothing in the definition of 'truth' that you have provided (which is actually the definition of the word 'true') hints at it being subjective or bound by human linguistics in and of itself.

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@fauxlaw

However, when the perception is not even close to reaching the truth, not even the most innovative and new, Truth cannot be defined. At then, the most admitted perception will be Truth. Truth is a human construct and humans define it. You won't know what dogs or toads are talking about unless you have a linguist with a voice recorder strapped on his neck. Truth is exclusive to human language and humans define it.

What is true is true past, present, future. What varies is perception of truth. Example: the world was once perceived flat, but the truth was known far in the distant past by merely climbing a mountain high enough to witness for one's self the arc of the horizon. The truth did not change; merely the perception of it.

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@User_2006

You're up against a great opponent for this topic, who could easily argue either side of the resolution.

However, you've only truly lost, if you do not learn anything.

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@Barney

I might not win this debate(The likelyhood is small) but I am certainly trying.

Reality is objective, but the words we use to articulate our understanding of reality are social constructs. In other words, it's a tricky thing.

Could be a very interesting debate. IMO the truth is pretty static, but intepretations of what objective facts mean are subjective to the persons.

I'll offer a strange one: In the Harry Potter books, some people read them, and then deny that Harry and Draco were together.