Instigator / Pro
32
1593
rating
9
debates
77.78%
won
Topic
#206

Gun Control/ Assault Weapons Ban/ Concealed-Carry Ban

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
12
12
Better sources
10
10
Better legibility
5
5
Better conduct
5
4

After 5 votes and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Username
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Six months
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
31
1500
rating
16
debates
40.63%
won
Description

Usual rules:

No semantics or kritiks.

Violating is an automatic concession, And by accepting this debate you aknowledge this.

Con can choose BOP.

If there are any errors please do not vote.

Thanks

To conquer a nation,first disarm its citizens
-Adolf Hitler

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

I'll try and vote on it if I can. I may not be able to get to it in time :(

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@Dr.Franklin

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>Reported Vote: Dr.Franklin // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 7 points to Pro

>Reason for Decision: I like trains

>Reason for Mod Action: The voter fails to sufficiently justify the argument points they award. To award argument points, the voter must (1) survey the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate, (2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and (3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision. The voter completes none of these steps, when, in fact, they needed to complete each of them. The voter can cast a sufficient vote by completing each of these three steps. The voter can access site voting policy here: https://www.debateart.com/rules
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@bsh1

2 hours to remove it

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@David

Can you plz vote on this pllzzz

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@oromagi

Can you vote on this?

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@David

Can you vote on this?

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

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>Reported Vote: Wrick-It-Ralph // Mod action: Not Removed

>Points Awarded: Tied.

>Reason for Mod Action: Votes which do not award points are not subject to review because no standard exists in the COC against by which they can be removed.
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@Ramshutu
@Alec

I meant vote. And alec, oooooof

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

1) It is against the COC to ask someone to vote for you.

2) I lost my voting privileges over something. I don't know if it's permanent or temporary.

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

So if he votes for you now, is it because you asked him to? Or because he thinks you won?

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@Alec

Can you vote for me on this?

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@Username

dang now u winning, i'll have to get raltar to vote again more thoroughly lol

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@Raltar

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Vote Reported: Raltar // Mod Action: Removed

Points awarded: 3 points to con for arguments

RFD:

Wow, this was a very professional, fierce and well executed debate on both sides. Both sides made excellent use of sources and formatted their arguments in a very professional way. Ultimately, I can only agree with Con because his closing statement highlights the key flaw in Pro's argument. When Pro claims that semi-automatic rifles aren't superior to handguns or shotguns, he ignores the obvious tactical differences between these weapons, as well as the fact pointed out by Con that more crimes are committed with handguns than rifles.

Reason for mod action: The voter fails to meet the standards set forth by the COC here: https://www.debateart.com/rules
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@David

Can someone please remove or at least look at Raltar's vote please? It addresses a fraction of a fraction of the arguments

" Sure ban guns, how do you think we got ours?"

- Dylan Klebold

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@Imabench

Thanks for the vote!

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@Alanwang123

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Vote Reported: Alanwang123 // Mod Action: Removed

Points awarded: 7 point tie

RFD: It just feels like the right thing to do.

Reason for mod action: The voter fails to meet the standards set forth by the COC here: https://www.debateart.com/rules

Even when you elect to tie the debate, a discussion on the arguments is still needed as to why the debate should be a tie
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@justincole

Hi Justin, it’s nothing personal, and isn’t really to do with your vote specifically. The site has fairly strict standards on voting for one, which do take a little time getting used to. As well as that, there have recently been issues with people registering new throwaway accounts in order to vote for themselves: as a result, right now the moderation team are being overly strict in removing newly registered accounts voting rights. There are also a variety of resources you can take a look at to help, once you’ve been here a little longer, you’ll get your voting rights back.

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@dave2242

im new to the site and it seems alittle extra to ban someone from voting becuase they didnt explain it well enough

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@justincole

well like alec said you did not provide reasons for why con did better in the argument department nor where/why they had better conduct

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@David

ok.

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@justincole

Hey I removed your voting privileges when I removed the vote. I meant to send you a PM but I got behind. I’ll send you a PM soon. Welcome to the site

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@David

Why can't i vote in debates? Because I'm new to the sites so i didn't know much about it? is that why?

what is there to say? He didnt provide reliable source. what more do i have to say? im pretty sure thats a straight forward reason.

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@justincole

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>Reported Vote: justincole // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 6 points to con for arguments, sources, and conduct

>RFD: Our_boat_is_right provided unbias source while Armorecat provided bias source and unreliable source like vox and wikii

>Reason for Mod Action: The vote fails to adhear to the standards set forth in the code of conduct found here https://www.debateart.com/rules.

(1) In order to award the argument point, the voter must do the following: (a) Survey the main arguments and counterarguments presented in the debate; (b) Weigh those arguments against each other (or explain why certain arguments need not be weighed based on what transpired within the debate itself); and (c) Explain how, through the process of weighing, they arrived at their voting decision with regard to assigning argument points. The voter does neither of these things.

(2) In order to award sources, the voter must:

Explain, on balance, how each debater's sources impact the debate
Directly evaluate at least one source in particular cited in the debate and explain how it either bolstered or weakened the argument it was used to support
Must explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's

The voter fails to do this.

(3) In order to award conduct point, the voter must

Provide specific references to instances of poor conduct which occurred in the debate
Demonstrate how this poor conduct was either excessive, unfair, or in violation of mutually agreed upon rules of conduct pertaining to the text of the debate
Compare each debater's conduct from the debate

The voter fails to do this.

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@David

You should report justincole's vote. He failed to examine how the arguments were superior or how the conduct was better. He didn't even explain much on his sources.

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@Alec

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>Reported Vote: Alec // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: Tie
>RFD: Good points on both sides..
>Reason for Mod Action: To award a tie the voter needs to analyze the debate and explain why it should be a tie.
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@Ramshutu

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>Reported Vote: Ramshutu // Mod action: Not Removed

>Points Awarded: 3 points to Con for arguments, 1 point to Pro for conduct

>Reason for Mod Action: The vote was found to be sufficient per the site voting policy standards.
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@Username

I think “lost” in this case was a bit harsh he just edged ahead and it was close. If you had split this out into three debates you would have won 2 of them, it was just that I feel that the most important argument for the purposes of the debate contention was the first point.

It wasn’t bad by any means, and I felt that this was the best debate to vote on that I’ve seen here.

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@Ramshutu

Thanks for voting! Glad to see this debate is getting attention, even if people think I lost lol

I messed up pro/ con in the final weighting should be con +5, pro+1, pro+3. Great debate. I didn’t know which way I would score it till the end, and it appears I ended up agreeing with RM; though I agree on principle with armoured cats side.

For the record, I do believe out_boat_is_right has won but the margin is very small and I'm not that inclined to vote.

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@Username

I will give you full feedback if you okay my vote. You will benefit from it.

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@Ramshutu

ayeeeee

I’m going to vote: but it’s a long one lol - it may take me a while!

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@Alec

we still got some time lol

Do you think this debate will end in a tie?

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

Your welcome

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@Username
@AdmiralSn4ckb4r

Thanks! I try to keep debates as clean as possible to cause productive and open-minded discussion, and I'm sure armoredcat does too.

I just have to say that this is the most respectful debate that i have seen in a long time on the internet

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@Our_Boat_is_Right

Yep. I just changed some small mistakes and edited the formatting if you don´t mind.

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