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1436
rating
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debates
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Topic
#2074

Resolved: Marxism-Leninism is an Overall Better Political Philosophy than Fascism (Group Debate)

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
21
Better sources
12
14
Better legibility
7
7
Better conduct
0
7

After 7 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...

BearMan
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
49
1615
rating
16
debates
93.75%
won
Description

This is a group debate. Here are the rules:
One person accepts, each "team" drafts 1 person to be on there team. They can create there argument via PM's or a Google Doc. No trolling, or critiquing the resolution. The debate will begin only when both teams are created. BoP is shared, as PRO is proving communism is better, and CON is proving Facism is better.

Definitions:
Better: "of a more excellent or effective type or quality." NOTE: Economic benefit alone is not enough to prove that one is better.

Marxism Leninism: Marxism–Leninism is a political philosophy that seeks to establish a socialist state to develop further into socialism and eventually communism, a classless social system with common ownership of the means of production and with full social and economic equality of all members of society. Marxist–Leninists espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of orthodox Marxism and Leninism, but they generally support the idea of a vanguard party, a communist party-led state, state-dominance over the economy,[1] internationalism and opposition to capitalism, fascism, imperialism and liberal democracy.

Facism:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

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@whiteflame

Read PM if you want rematch

Speaking as a Jew who was working to defend Fascism, I was actually looking forward to this...

Happy the loss is on his account, he put almost Zero effort into this.

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@whiteflame
@BearMan
@Intelligence_06

I had a nice Round 2 (mainly defence even when it was offence) but Croc didn't get online on time or something. It was only finished last-minute. Whatever.

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@Crocodile

Less than a day left.

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@RationalMadman
@Crocodile

I can see some neg ground if debate theory is used. I don't think I can take this one though.

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@RationalMadman

I can ask him.

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@Crocodile

We have blocked each other. I can't ping him.

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@RationalMadman

Maybe Alec. He's pretty conservative.

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@blamonkey
@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Crocodile

How will he find a Fascist sympathiser to team with? Maybe someone good can play devil's advocate or whatever?

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@RationalMadman

No. It's 2v2. The last 3v3 group debate failed miserably

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@Crocodile

so it's not 3v3?

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@RationalMadman

So you're on my team now. Bearman still needs to make a desicion

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@RationalMadman

Bet

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@Crocodile

I want it stated in the description that economics alone isn't how to determine 'better'. Then I will join as pro for marxist-leninism as being better than fascism.

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@Barney

I'll change it

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@Crocodile

One potential refinement would be picking one form of Communism in question, or opening up the Nazism to general Fascism as a form of government. Either of those, would make it more of an apples to apples comparison.

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@User_2006

Lmao ok

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@Crocodile

I think me growing up in China might be an influence, but Communism could be much better than Nazism if the government weren't corrupt in any way.

That said, nope. I don't wanna debate this because I have 3 other ones that I need a lot of effort at least.

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@Crocodile

Team debates are something I wish I saw more of. Good luck!