Instigator / Pro
28
1436
rating
22
debates
38.64%
won
Topic
#2074

Resolved: Marxism-Leninism is an Overall Better Political Philosophy than Fascism (Group Debate)

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
21
Better sources
12
14
Better legibility
7
7
Better conduct
0
7

After 7 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...

BearMan
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
49
1615
rating
16
debates
93.75%
won
Description

This is a group debate. Here are the rules:
One person accepts, each "team" drafts 1 person to be on there team. They can create there argument via PM's or a Google Doc. No trolling, or critiquing the resolution. The debate will begin only when both teams are created. BoP is shared, as PRO is proving communism is better, and CON is proving Facism is better.

Definitions:
Better: "of a more excellent or effective type or quality." NOTE: Economic benefit alone is not enough to prove that one is better.

Marxism Leninism: Marxism–Leninism is a political philosophy that seeks to establish a socialist state to develop further into socialism and eventually communism, a classless social system with common ownership of the means of production and with full social and economic equality of all members of society. Marxist–Leninists espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of orthodox Marxism and Leninism, but they generally support the idea of a vanguard party, a communist party-led state, state-dominance over the economy,[1] internationalism and opposition to capitalism, fascism, imperialism and liberal democracy.

Facism:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Marxism-Leninism is a political ideology developed by Stalin and used to provide some thin philosophical veneer to the dark brute overlordship of totalitarianism. Both Marx and Lenin would happily kick anybody in the balls for suggesting their name in association with a governing philosophy that ultimately proved fairly indistinguishable from the Hitlerist brand of authoritarianism that Hitler called Fascism. Although PRO forfeits the debate, this VOTER adds sources to CON for the egregious mislabeling and conflation of Communism with Marxism-Leninism. Two very different things.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Arguments:

Not a bad start from both sides, but Pro eventually forfeited two thirds of the rounds.

Sources:

Tied.

S&G:

Both are readable, but I am personally inclined to Pro's easy-to-understand concise language.

Conduct:

Full forfeiture from Pro; bad conduct.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

A good start, but ultimately full forfeiture.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full Forfeit.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro is right, but FF

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I don't think Con had better arguments at all but my teammate never did anything and 90% of that R1 was my work anyway. So...

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

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