Instigator / Pro
4
1417
rating
158
debates
32.59%
won
Topic
#2095

DebateArt should implement "secret topics"

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
0

After 1 vote and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
6
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
Description

secret topics: http://www.edeb8.com/motions.txt

"implement": The instigator should be given an option to instigate a debate with "Secret topic" along with a link to potential topics. The Debate will be called "Secret topic". When two people agree to it, then pro and con will have to argue a randomly decided debate from the list.

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@fauxlaw

so that debaters did not know the topic until position was determined. You might have to argue against belief or on a topic about which you had zero information. Essentially, there was no guarantee that you had any advantage as you went in.

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@oromagi

Off the top, that sounds idiotic. Were argument also pulled so others could not see the debate? So, what was the purpose of pulling titles?

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@fauxlaw

There was a debate site called edeb8 that never had much CPU power behind it but had some innovative ideas, one of which was a "secret topic" which means that the topic was pulled from this list http://www.edeb8.com/motions.txt after debaters had accepted.

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@Barney

Part of the vagueness is the fact that I don't have a clue what this debate is about. If I knew what a secret topic debate is, I might have been able to offer a better vote, but I don't, so perhaps eliminating my vote was a better course.

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@seldiora

You could pretty easily do some beta testing on such a system with a debate or two using random topics, and then try this debate again with evidence from that.

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@fauxlaw

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>Reported Vote: fauxlaw // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 1:6; 1 point to Pro, and 6 points to Con.
>Reason for Decision: See Comments Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:
In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.
The voter acted in such a way to suggest they did not give fair weighting to the debate content.
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fauxlaw
3 hours ago
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Reason:
Argument: Pro failed to overcome Con's argument of cost of mounting and maintenance of the proposal, as well as the fact that only one debate site enabled the proposal, and that site is done. Points to Con
Sourcing: Con offered the only sources.Pro's references to debates does not support the proposal. Points to Con
S&G: Pro failed to capitalized first word in R1. Point to Con
Conduct. Co forfeited R1. Point to Pro

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@RationalMadman

I can't vote like how? What is reportable?

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@fauxlaw

even if you vote for me, you can't vote like that I must report it sorry.

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@Barney

Yet you armed me with it instead.

I genuinely was going to bring that up against him in the final Round anyway, I intentionally didn't mention it in Round 1 as I knew it could help him.

Now that pro has posted their final round (I did not want to feed them evidence to support their case)...

Pretty easy to do here by asking for moderator assistance. We can modify titles and descriptions any time before voting ends.

This debate however seems to be on the idea of automating such a system for regular use.

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@seldiora

edeb8.com is down, the site doesn't even exist.