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1483
rating
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Topic
#2117

To support same sex marriage, Endorse incestuous marriage just the same

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
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2

After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

User_2006
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Last updated date
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Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
2
1470
rating
50
debates
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Description

Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

Quite straightforward, Take one with the other. It's a package deal. You can demonstrate the differences and we can put them to the test.
We can find out whether these differences have to stand in the way of happiness. Why not support these two types of marriages? What exception could there be?

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Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

PRO failed to make an affirmative case proving that an incestuous marriage is "just the same" as gay marriage. As far as this VOTER is concerned the conflation is oxymoron. Marriage is by definition a legal and/or sacred bond that must meet certain basic conditions, the most basic of which is proof of no incest. There's no such thing as incestuous marriage in any practical sense, right? CON explained the obvious difference between the two and even went on to make a case for gay marriage as an improvement on inbreeding. PRO says fine, let's side the question of children aside from the question of marriage (a mighty big ask) and just examine whether a childless incest is just the same as gay marriage. I agree with PRO that CON dodged the question but PRO is neverthless focusing on minority cases when "just the same" already stands disproved and undefended.

POINT: CON

I would have given SOURCES to CON as well as argument had this been a 4 pt debate.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

This subject is simply a false dichotomy, but to vote I must still evaluate it...

Pro had the BoP, but he seemed to merely try to defend against con, which can at best bring this to a tie. As the person making the claim against the status quo, he needs to do just that: make a claim.

In refutations pro denies that incest leads to children, but the sources con already brought into the debate pre-refute this. Further con's sources prove harm to future generations. Pro could not find similar harm from gay people adopting children.