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#2179
Show that scripture that's against "mixed" marriage
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After 1 vote and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...
Intelligence_06
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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes. Please show where there is biblical basis for the condemning of "interracial marriage" in of it self.
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Round 1
Pro
#2
Resolution for PRO(me): There are scriptures in the Bible that are against interracial marriage
CON(mall): Said scriptures in the Bible are NOT against interracial marriage
The Christian race is, of course, made out of Christians. The bible states that they are SUPERIOR to Non-christians[1].
CON(mall): Said scriptures in the Bible are NOT against interracial marriage
- Christian race
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.(1 Peter 2:9-10)
- The marriage between a Christian and a Non-christian is discouraged
Do not be unequally yoked(attached, married, bond; especially in a negative sense)[3] together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? What communion has light with darkness?(2 Corinthians 6:14)
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.(Acts 17:26)
[1]https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+2%3A9-10&version=ESV;LEB
(1 Peter 2:9-10)
(2 Corinthians 6:14)
(Yoked)
(Acts 17:26)
Round 2
Con
#3
The scripture provided from the book of 2nd Peter has variant translations. Where it states "chosen race", it states "chosen people" in the NIV and "chosen generation" in the KJV . SO the emphasis is not so much on the term race but God's people versus those not of God.
Since the scripture does not refer to the believers and unbelievers as "interracial" , but as a fellowship with light and darkness as written in the book of 2nd Corinthians, it's customary to interpret "interracial" as between nation's of people. The book of Deuteronomy indicates specifically the term nation. That is more close to what the Bible is referring to as "interracial" and what we constantly know and understand it is.
The Bible does address the concept of "interracial" as we see this with Moses and the "Ethiopian" woman in the book of Numbers 12. Also in the book of Acts 17, all NATIONS, made of one blood but people were bound by their lands. Moreover, the concept of peoples from different nations is pointed out in Galatians 3 where it states nor Greek, Jew or gentile.
So we can see that scripture does and has identified different groups of people based on nations. So now we can learn whether or not there is scripture against the mixing of these nations.
To avoid getting into semantical problems and definitions, it's key to pay attention to context and how exactly the Bible references or what it calls something exactly the way it's written in a given verse.
Being that there is a thing such as intermarrying with the nations( interracial marriage), what scripture is there that shows it's forbidden?
Pro
#4
Oh well, maybe I should make my case clearer.
1. An analogy of a person regarding the present discourse
My opponent has made his case that since the paragraphs in the Bible had shown his undoubted support instead of discouragement regarding interracial marriage, then his case should be sufficient. However, My opponent might have mistaken the topic for "Show that the Bible is against mixed marriage" because in that case, his one example would suffice in proving that the Bible is NOT against mixed marriage. However, the topic is "Show that scripture that's against "mixed" marriage" showing that as long as PRO brings up at least ONE paragraph in the bible that discourages mixed marriage, PRO wins the day.
Now, the promised analogy. If this offends anyone just by reading, please, I shall note that I intend no harm and this should stay as a hypothetical example.
Suppose one wrote a book about why he hates the LGBTQ community with words full of hatred towards said community, then turned friendly towards the LGBTQ community after a few years. That's the example. Now, what if I picked up a hateful quote in his old book that he himself no longer trusts? Is it evidence that He is hostile against the LGBTQ community? No. Especially since he has turned away against his old stance. However, if I pick that quote up, and ask myself, is it a quote in his book that illustrates hatred towards the LGBTQ community? Then I'd be yes. If it is in his book and it shows hatred towards the LGBTQ community, then YES.
So no matter where it is, as long as I show scripture in the Bible that shows discouragement towards interracial marriages, PRO wins. It doesn't even have to disagree with CON's. God, the being can treat different people differently at different times, and CON's Acts 17 scripture does not negate PRO's case because PRO does not need to demonstrate that the whole bible is against interracial marriage.
2. Scriptures
Oh, and, I must show scriptures in order to prove my point. I am no master in a religion that I do not believe in, however, I have the internet helping me.
One(or four) paragraph(s) in the Deuteronomy book, states:
“When the Lord your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than you, and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them. You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.[1, Deuteronomy 7:1-4]
The bolded phrases and/or sentences shows my point.
So far, these claims are undoubtedly true:
- I and my opponent both agree that nations can be used to establish ethnicity.
- The Hittites, the Girgashites, etc. are thus people and ethnicity.
- God told the people(Israelites) to NOT marry with any of the seven other people in their respective nations.
- This quote is IN THE BIBLE.
- Thus, this is a scripture of the bible that is against mixed marriages, because God told the Israelites to NOT intermarry with the other people.
- Because ONE sufficient example shown from PRO is enough for him to win the debate, and this paragraph does it, I rest my case.
Conclusions above.
Sources:
(Deuteronomy 7:1-4)
Round 3
Con
#5
"However, the topic is "Show that scripture that's against "mixed" marriage" showing that as long as PRO brings up at least ONE paragraph in the bible that discourages mixed marriage, PRO wins the day."
Right and what is meant by "mixed marriage"?
The premise specifically indicates "interracial"marriage in the description.
Now I pointed out that scriptures do identify this as marrying into other nations. Don't run from that just because you were mistaken about that. We do have to keep the terminology straight.
" PRO does not need to demonstrate that the whole bible is against interracial marriage."
In the words of Pastor Gino Jennings: CALL YOUR CHAPTER AND YOUR VERSE......THAT SHOWS THE CONDEMNATION OF MIXED MARRIAGE....OR "INTERRACIAL" MARRIAGE MIND YOU.
CALLLL YOUR CHAPTER AND YOUR VERSE.
"Oh, and, I must show scriptures in order to prove my point. I am no master in a religion that I do not believe in, however, I have the internet helping me."
CALL YOUR CHAPTER AND YOUR VERSE.
The topic says show that SCRIPTURE against this matter.
"I and my opponent both agree that nations can be used to establish ethnicity."
Thank you for conceding and agreeing with me now that scripture does point out distinctive sets of people equivalent to the meaning of what society classifies under "race".
"Thus, this is a scripture of the bible that is against mixed marriages, because God told the Israelites to NOT intermarry with the other people."
Ok and it was because of what? It's not condemning "interracial" or to be more exact, marriage between nations, is it?
See you're attempting to validate your case on semantics. Unfortunately for you, it's something you may have missed. I indicated specifically what I meant.
A so called interracial marriage is a " mixed marriage". A subcategory within a category, that's all.
Also it's not appropriate to state that the scriptures are AGAINST mixed marriage without SPECIFICATION. Why? The term "mixed" can mean anything. Like a couple with a MIXTURE of different heights, weights, strengths, etc.
"Because ONE sufficient example shown from PRO is enough for him to win the debate, and this paragraph does it, I rest my case."
In reference to the book of Deuteronomy, your case basically rested on "interfaith" prohibition. That's a type of mixed marriage but just not the one in this topic of the debate challenge .
It's ok if you don't know the scriptures that well and you have to Google as we go along.
Sometimes I have to do it to get a refresher.
Also this is nothing to do with actually being religious. This is basic reading comprehension which only works to a limited extent when attempting to understand the Bible.
Pro
#6
Sure, I have a lot more. Of course, if I show ANY example I meet my BoP consider CON only asks me to show any scripture that is against mixed marriages.
Genesis 28:1
Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him and directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women.
Canaanites are a race and of a nation and Jacob is NOT within that ethnicity. Thus, a marriage between Jacob and a Canaanite woman is an interracial/mixed marriage. Because the phrase "You must not" is used, it became pretty clear that this is an example that discourages an interracial marriage. In fact, any scripture that only illustrates discouragements to an example of interracial marriage would count.
I understand what you are thinking. "Does that mean hating anyone is equal of hating his/her/their qualities, ethnicities, etc?" However, hating an LGBTQ activist because he is gay would make you homophobic. Because the Canaanites are tied to their beliefs which are disliked by the God of the Bible, it is pretty safe to say that God discourages the marriage between one of his people(Jacob) and a Canaanites because of their own religion and beliefs, which are tied to their ethnicity. God hates the marriage between these two just by the fact that the two are different and incompatible.
Genesis 24:3-4
That I may make you swear by the Lord, the God of heaven and God of the earth, that you will not take a wife for my son from the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell, but will go to my country and to my kindred, and take a wife for my son Isaac.”
This is the same as the one above. God discourages marriage between his people and the Canaanites due to their ethnicity. This is one example of a shown scripture against interracial marriage.
So, conclusions.
- The Bible discourages marriage between his people and the Canaanites.
- The two are not the same ethnicity, and the marriage within would be interracial and mixed.
- God discourages it due to their ethnicity.
- Because God discourages it, it would be scripture in the bible that shows discouragement towards interracial marriage.
I have used logic to justify my BoP.
I rest my case.
---Sources---
Genesis 24 3-4
Genesis 28 1
Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
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Reason:
Con asked pro to show it, and pro showed many (1 Peter 2:9-10, 2 Corinthians 6:14, Acts 17:26, Deuteronomy 7:1-4). That it could be translated differently, does not invalidate this. That other parts of the bible show a better message, does not invalidate this.
You're supposed to read what the Bible says. You couldn't show one scripture that says so called interracial marriage is a sin. Likewise no book, chapter and verse to show that interfaith means interracial.
Each passage has to be taken in its context to indicate the meaning of the word as it is used.
Case and point with the word "nation". Taking how it is applied in one text to fill it in another will confuse scripture lesson and doctrine.
Using the word as meaning holy nation or holy people in a passage about people from different lands of ancestry will mix up the identity of the interpretation. So if I say , let's go to a scripture where it indicates interracial marriage (which I interpret as interfaith marriage), you go to the book of Numbers where it indicates what you'll refer to as an interracial marriage . l'll say this is not an interracial marriage. The passage makes no reference to faith. You'd be totally confused of what I'm talking about due to my exteme radical extrapolation.
no one voting on this?
I don't dictate what the bible says, the bible itself, the historians and the faithful do.
I am merely copy-pasting the works.
PRO has also misappropriated the verse he posted about Christianity being a race. It seems perfectly obvious to me that that verse is using "race" in an informal, colloquial (almost poetic) sense that has nothing to do with skin color.
I think PRO is conflating the words "race" and "ideologies" here, as "race" is typically used to refer to different kinds of ethnicity rather than different worldviews. CON's usage of "interracial marriage" in this debate seems to be referring to marriage between individuals who do not share the same skin color. That being said, the bible does indeed discourage differing ideologues from marrying each other, and rightly so. Marrying someone with a worldview that fundamentally contradicts yours is a recipe for needless strife and hardship. However, difference in perspective is not the same thing as difference in skin color, the latter of which is not condemned anywhere in the bible. Of course, that's CON's contention to defend, so I'll leave him to it.