Instigator / Con
3
1483
rating
327
debates
40.21%
won
Topic
#2186

God and Santa

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
0
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
14
1922
rating
117
debates
97.44%
won
Description

Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
Please demonstrate how the two concepts are the same.
Believing in Santa Claus is likened to the belief in God.
How so?
For clarity or questions, Please send a message or comment prior to accepting debate.

Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Argument: Con effectively waived r1, claiming the Description sufficed for that round, but the description offered no argument, but merely the proposal of the debate with no prior notice of intent to do so. Further, as the proposal was worded as an instigator taking the Pro side of the argument, not as a contender would phrase it, making the instigator's preferred role confusing. Pro presented several arguments in favor of the proposition as worded, and added more arguments in subsequent rounds. Con never successfully rebutted any of Pro's arguments. Points to Pro.

Sources: Con offered no sources whatsoever to substantiate weak arguments. Pro offered supporting sources in all rounds. Points to Pro

S&G: tie, though Pro offered so much more opportunity to have S&G issues, but did not.

Conduct: This was a tie until r4 when Con became frustrated and charged Pro has not offered any evidence to support the Pro argument when, in fact, it is Con 'who had not offered evidence. Pro's evidence abounds. Con's is non-existent. Con's failure of personal ownership of this charge is poor conduct. Point to Pro

Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Overkill. Way too much overkill!

Pro argues believing in one is akin to believing in the other, making six different contentions for metrics of this (key thing being all knowing deity rewarding and punishing mankind) which were all dropped by con. Con tries to shift the burden onto pro proving that Santa actually exists (I admittedly missed how this would prove one is not like the other)...

I would give pro sources for NORAD, but that only came up in the final round after con had no opportunity to respond. As is, the comparison between Santa Clause is Coming To Town and multiple passages from the bible, strongly support it such that con had zero response.

S&G: I'm actually leaving tied. Pro does better on this due to con's continued abuse of all caps, but frustration is more understandable in this case (con you should seriously use a low character limit if you're going to keep arguing in this style).