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Resolved: Civil war is upon us. It isn’t North v. South, nor East v. West, and not even Hatfield v. McCoy. It’s law and order v. anarchy

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
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Resolved: Civil war is upon us. It isn’t North v. South, nor East v. West, and not even Hatfield v. McCoy. It’s law and order v. anarchy

Full Description:
Resolved: Civil war is upon us. It isn’t North v. South, nor East v. West, and not even Hatfield v. McCoy. It’s law and order v. anarchy. It’s not even politics. This is such a basic conflict, it tears the fabric of the Constitution more than a complicated economic policy of slavery v. abolition divided us 160 years ago. At the root, that is what the Civil War was all about. The South’s economy was built upon slavery, whether or not the practice had basic human rights as its conflict, and that conflict nearly prevented the Constitution’s ratification in the first place.

With both factions of the Continental Congress that fashioned the Constitution, and ultimately ratified it, ultimately convinced that they could do so, and did so unanimously by State, with that conflict in place, they believed it would ultimately be resolved. That it occupied the better part of another century to accomplish the eradication of slavery, and still another century to think we had solved the animus between the conflicting races of black and white, but really did not, it is stunning to recognize that that the conflict we now engage may have had that old conflict at the heart of it, with the murder of a black man, George Floyd, at the hands, or, literally, the knee of a police officer sworn to uphold law and order, our present conflict, with gunfire, mayhem, and general lawlessness in our streets, has little to do with the old racial issues we have suffered to bear since the inception of our Republic.

War is upon us with the conflict so basic, we dare still call ourselves civilized humans. We are battling each other by weapons as physically lethal as they are mentally and spiritually, in words, corrupting the notion of civilization.

I contend civil war is upon us. I will bear that Burdon of Proof of the resolution. My contender must prove otherwise.

Definitions:

Civil war: A war waged by physical and verbal weapons by factions within a single nation. See “Civilization.”

Upon us: Currently engaging the people in a physical conflict by deliberate death, personal injury and private and public property destruction resulting from the conflict.

Law and Order: A basic civilized condition of a people in mutual agreement to tolerate one another’s differences by peaceful discussion, with agreement to allow a police force to enforce our peaceful interaction, allowing a justice system to peacefully manage our conflicts in a manner that achieves justice for all.

Anarchy: The absence in society of acknowledging the necessity of law and order to maintain peaceful relations between citizens of differing opinion. Synonymous with lawlessness and chaos. Civilization in conflict with itself.

Civilization: The social construct resulting in a large group of people of a single nation, or many nations, who agree to cooperate in peaceful, organized, and productive comportment with one another in spite of recognized differences of cultural values, language, aspirations, religious beliefs, et al. The word also truncates to “Civil” with the same meaning.

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@Intelligence_06

this debate is old but actually only 7% of blm protests were violenthttps://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

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@Vader

thanks for voting

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@Vader

Thanks

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@blamonkey
@Barney
@oromagi
@Discipulus_Didicit

How about some votes, people?

bump for votes

Bump for votes

Don't worry. My argument won't come until like 1 day later.

Source references for r3:

1 https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts

2 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/us/portland-oregon-protests-white-race.html

3 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219

4 ibid

5 https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

6 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

7 ibid

8 https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-protests-timeline.html

9 ibid
10 https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm

11 https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm

12 Quote attributed to General William Tecumseh Sherman

13 https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-protests-timeline.html

14 https://bracingviews.com/2016/08/28/the-many-purposes-of-war/

15 https://www.open.edu/openlearn/society-politics-law/what-politics/content-section-2.1.1

yes

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@Username

I have proved twice that taking advantage of topics I don't know much about still can bring a win if I try hard enough. Plus since Fauxlaw is like 40 ELO ahead of me so I will gain more than I would lose.

This should be fun to watch

I don't think what's going on rises to the level of war.

Yeah, bring it on.

However, I believe the protesters are presenting their own law and order that are just conflicting with the authright government's/

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@Username

Wait, I agree with you.

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@fauxlaw
@Intelligence_06

I think you're failing to distinguish between a typical police encounter and a protest/riot. Usually, police encounters don't result in violence. Now people are directly against them, and they're responding with what can only be described as fascistic brutality. There's police putting people into unmarked cars and driving them away. There's disorganized forces of officers wandering around, randomly shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and occasionally hitting/deliberately attacking or arresting reporters or those taking video.

I don't know what you're talking about with regard to my version of utopia. I'm not actually an anarchist lol.

I'd add, too, that being patronizing towards people you're arguing with is probably not the best course of action.

i would happily be pro government if anyone secedes or cities riot more

and your right fauxlaw

"Unpopular opinion: The peaceful protestors are the forces of law and order and the unmarked police are the forces of anarchy"

HAHAHAHA

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@Username
@Intelligence_06

You're both boxes of rocks. If most members of police forces were as you claim, you might have a case. As usual, your youth and inexperience, and the drivel you're taught convinces you that a few are the majority, that it has always been so and needs to change, and so the whole of our society needs to be replaced with your version of utopia, which has been tried previously, and has never, ever succeeded for a mere hundred years, let alone more. And as that argument is obvious, I will say no more since this is not a forum.

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@Intelligence_06

Yeah, you're right. They're more like bullies. I call them anarchists because they reasonlessly beat people and do not follow the rules that they're supposed to.

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@Username

Kinda. I am basically within the Overton window in terms of beliefs but I am like (0,-1) or something. Who knows what I will be even 5 years later. However I disagree with you that the police are anarchists. They are more like tyranny. Rightist profiteers that think they are regulating the society but aren't.

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@Intelligence_06

Yeah. You too, right?

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@Username

u libleft?

Unpopular opinion: The peaceful protestors are the forces of law and order and the unmarked police are the forces of anarchy

and God bless anarchy