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We are being dumb down by the powers which rule over us
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MisterChris
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We will be discussing the poising of our food water and the wireless war.And GMO mosquito's
Round 1
Pro
#1
For the last couple of decade's autism has skyrocketed.Almost every child is born with some weird genetic disease.The average baby is born today is born with over 200 man made chemical's.160 million iq points have been lost in children because of chemical's in the food. This is no accident.For the last 100 years corporations have been poisoning our food with with preservative's pesticide's and all sorts of chemical's you can not pronounce.How did we get to this point.Why does it have to be when someone eats an impossible whopper they literally grow breast because there is so much estrogen.Why can't i find one thing at the grocery store without some sort of chemical that would harm my body.It is because they poison the food and they use lame excuse's to do it.We need to add preservative's to make food last longer.We need to add bug poison to food in order to kill bugs.We must also consider they use these kind of excuse's for just about everything.They say they have to take away guns to protect children.When they really are doing it. So they can control us .They say we harm others when we don't vaccinate.When they really want to dumb us down with vaccine's.They say they put fluoride in the water for dental reasons. When they want to poison our water supply.See how they use the same excuse for everything.If you live in WA state you might take a vitamin d supplement.They add vitamin d to milk and cereal.But what they add is not vitamin d from the Sun. But vitamin d the rat poison. Cholecalciferol is the chemical which they call vitamin d.Cholecalciferol is rat poison.They put this in milk cereal and supplements.Why would you put rat poison in food unless you were trying to hurt people
Cholecalciferol is one of the most potent mouse and rat poisons on the market. When ingested in toxic amounts, cholecalciferol, or activated vitamin D3, can cause life-threatening elevations in blood calcium and left untreated can result in kidney failure.
with the hopes that they would speed up the killing process. Researchers and laboratories eventually appeared to find an alternative rodenticide that possesses many of the beneficial attributes of anticoagulants but featured a unique mode of action to improve the efficiency of the poison to kill rodents. One such product which was worked on to be a viable alternative is Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3).
The type of vitamin D added to milk alternatives may differ from what's added to dairy milk. Cow's milk is fortified with vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol)
But lets not forget all the article's that say we do not put aborted babies in food.We only grow our chemical's in the aborted babies.
Even cbs the mainstream giant did one of these article's.But they bluntly say's it is true.But say's there is nothing wrong with it.CBS the mainstream media site say's they put aborted babies in food.
Cellphone Radiation
A couple of patents were recently patented which were about using rf and emf signals from cellphones to dumb down the population.They panted a weapon to use cellphone signals to purposefully hurt people.
US Patent 6506148 B2 Confirms Human Nervous System Manipulation Through Your Computer & TV
It’s hard to find any information at all on a one “Hendricus G. Loos,” despite the fact that he’s filed multiple patent applications, with success, for apparatuses that deal with the manipulation of the human nervous system via a computer screen or a television monitor.
So all those effects about smartphone's hurting your brain or giving you cancer.Just know it is on purpose
Pharmacuticals
Big pharma the biggest poisoner to have ever exist.100 thousand people die each year from pharmacuticals. millions of children falsely diagnosed with adhd. The one's who quite literally have a snake as there logo.The one who took the pharmacy from a word that quite literally means poison.Pharmakeai. I can not stress this enough pharmacy the word is derived off the word pharmakeia.
pharmakeai definitionthe use of medicine, drugs or spells
From pharmakon (a drug, i.e. Spell-giving potion); a druggist ("pharmacist") or poisoner, i.e. (by extension) a magician -- sorcerer.
Pharmaceuticals are a scam lets say i have diabetes's and i take the drug farxiga
Is flesh eating of the genitals. Thoughts to kill oneself . and the other 67 side effects worth it.I counted. Diabetes's sounds better then all of these side effects.
The FDA is warning about rare cases of necrotizing fasciitis-- sometimes called "flesh-eating bacteria" -- of the genitals and genital area in patients taking type 2 diabetes ...
Vaccine's
Vaccines have aborted babies in them according to the mainstream abc
Supreme court ruled that parents can not sue vaccine company's over serious side effects from vaccines.Vaccines contain mercury a very dangerous nerotoxin. Childrenhealthdeference.org a site that is ran by robert f kennedy grandson of the former president.His site talks about a Italy's research team which discovered in a vaccine 560 aborted baby gene that are linked to cancer.AN entire human sequence in a vaccine.Why would the grandson of presiden jfk say such thing about vaccine's if they were not poison and meant to hurt you
100 thousand die from pharmacuticals
millions of children misdiagnosed with adhd
Average baby born with over 200 man-made chemical's
160 millions of iq points lost due to chemical's in food
560 cancer causing aborted baby gene in vaccine
children's health defense is ran by jfk grandson
Children's Health Defense is an American 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization, known for its anti-vaccine activism. Much of the material put forth by the organization involves manipulation of information and anti-vaccine propaganda. It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Mercury is dangerous nerotoxin
Con
#2
Thanks, crossed.
RESOLVED: We are being dumb down by the powers which rule over us
OBSERVATIONS:
PRO carries BoP to prove their position.
“When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.”
The claim We are being dumb down by the powers which rule over us carries a significant BoP because the claim is an absolutism and it is so opposed to the perceived status quo.
As RationalWiki states:
“some assertions demand that the universe be screaming with supporting evidence, so when that evidence is not actually observed, it counts against it. The idea is often, but fallaciously, summarized as "absence of evidence is evidence of absence."
This is one of those assertions. PRO has not provided enough evidence to prove this absolutism true beyond reasonable doubt, as PRO’s constructive does not contain details pertaining to who intends to dumb us down and what their motives are.
Thus, even without a CON response, PRO does not fulfill BoP. That said, CON shall present a contention and then respond to PRO’s case.
CONSTRUCTIVE:
CONTENTION 1: WHO? WHY? HOW?
WHO?
Who intends to poison us? Perhaps the infamous My Little Pony World Domination Society? PRO makes no effort to specify.
If it is the US government, then PRO’s argument is immediately refuted by the fact that government officials are elected by the people, from the people, to represent the people. There can be no “secret brainwashing society” because it is not permitted in the Constitution nor in the laws created by the politicians of the US, which are elected and held accountable by the People and the respective checks and balances in our government.
Maybe it is the UN. But, in both the US government and the UN, if such a thing ever arose, it would no doubt be endlessly exposed by former or current politicians and we would see tangible evidence of coverups (i.e. people going missing, restrictions on the press, etc).
From PRO’s constructive, most of the “evidence” he gives revolves around the work of private corporations (who are made up of citizens) and are overseen by the government. How does this fit into his argument?
WHY?
Additionally, have PRO answer: what is the benefit of such an operation to a local or international government?
Lowering IQs? Halting the progress of humanity? What is the benefit? Governments thrive on economic and social prosperity. To remove it means to dramatically increase the chances of subjects wanting dramatic reforms and possibly even resulting in violent revolution.
And tell me, if there is a benefit in having a dumber society, why are we in the US spending more than ever before on education.
HOW?
Even ignoring all of the other points, it is impossible that even the US or UN could pull off such a thing as to lower the collective IQ of humanity.
Think of the logistics, the manpower, the money, the coverups, the sheer executive power necessary, and even that is not covering all bases.
The UN must also pass such a resolution through the Security Council, the only branch of the UN with actual enforcement power. Only one veto from China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, or the United States would be all it took to blow the entire proposal out of the window.
REFUTATIONS:
- The resolution does not define “we” or “powers.” Nowhere in PRO’s constructive does he define such terms.
- “Dumb down” is defined to mean: “to lower the general level of intelligence of”
- Occam’s razor is the principle that, of two explanations that account for all the facts, the simpler one is more likely to be correct.
“When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.”
“some assertions demand that the universe be screaming with supporting evidence, so when that evidence is not actually observed, it counts against it. The idea is often, but fallaciously, summarized as "absence of evidence is evidence of absence."
Maybe it is the UN. But, in both the US government and the UN, if such a thing ever arose, it would no doubt be endlessly exposed by former or current politicians and we would see tangible evidence of coverups (i.e. people going missing, restrictions on the press, etc).
WHY?
And tell me, if there is a benefit in having a dumber society, why are we in the US spending more than ever before on education.
The UN must also pass such a resolution through the Security Council, the only branch of the UN with actual enforcement power. Only one veto from China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, or the United States would be all it took to blow the entire proposal out of the window.
“For the last couple of decade's autism has skyrocketed.Almost every child is born with some weird genetic disease”
Not true.
“experts say that the increasing prevalence of ASD in the CDC’s latest report has more to do with better monitoring and diagnosis of the disorder, rather than a de facto rise in the number of children who have ASD.”
“The average baby is born today is born with over 200 man made chemical's.160 million iq points have been lost in children because of chemical's in the food. This is no accident.”
The first study PRO cites has a total sample size of 10 randomly chosen babies in the US. This number should not be purported to be the average of the world.
That said, these studies are both legitimate. The problem is, PRO misattributes the source of chemical malfortune with sinister efforts on the part of some unidentified entity.
RECALL: Occam’s razor is the principle that, of two explanations that account for all the facts, the simpler one is more likely to be correct.
What is the more likely scenario:
- There is a secret illuminati-esque organization implanting our foods and products with chemicals with the explicit intent to lower humanity's collective intelligence.
- Companies use chemicals for a variety of non-malicious reasons (such as pesticides) and chemicals simply aren’t properly regulated in the status quo.
“They say they have to take away guns to protect children.When they really are doing it. So they can control us “
Who is they? The 2nd Amendment still stands.
“They say we harm others when we don't vaccinate.When they really want to dumb us down with vaccine's.”
Vaccines do not cause autism. They do not cause an IQ drop. They prevent disease.
“Paul Offit, MD, notes that children are exposed to more bacteria, viruses, toxins, and other harmful substances in one day of normal activity than are in vaccines.”
“Paul Offit, MD, notes that children are exposed to more bacteria, viruses, toxins, and other harmful substances in one day of normal activity than are in vaccines.”
“They say they put fluoride in the water for dental reasons. When they want to poison our water supply.See how they use the same excuse for everything.”
“They add vitamin d to milk and cereal.But what they add is not vitamin d from the Sun. But vitamin d the rat poison.”
The vitamin D3 produced by the human body is the same vitamin D3 found in foods.
Too much is harmful because it causes an over absorption of calcium (An overdose of anything can kill you). Rat poisons simply have such a high concentration of vitamin D they are dangerous to consume. Foods have lower concentrations.
TL;DR: Same vitamin, different concentrations.
“lets not forget all the article's that say we do not put aborted babies in food.We only grow our chemical's in the aborted babies.”
Some cells from a fetus in 1970 have been used as test taste buds for research purposes. There is nothing even remotely fetus-related within the foods themselves.
“Senomyx has used the HEK 293 cell line in its flavor research to function as the mouth’s taste receptor cells, allowing the company to test hundreds of substances.”
“Even cbs the mainstream giant did one of these article's.But they bluntly say's it is true.”
CBS simply said that it is true that food companies have used the cells for taste research.
“A couple of patents were recently patented which were about using rf and emf signals from cellphones to dumb down the population.They panted a weapon to use cellphone signals to purposefully hurt people.”
“Weapon” is an intense exaggaration.
The article PRO cites is from Collective-Evolution, which, according to MediaBiasFactCheck,
“Is a quackery level pseudoscience website based on promoting miracle cures, anti-vaxx propaganda, and 9/11 conspiracies.
Factual Reporting: LOW”
Both Collective-Evolution and PRO are taking highly preliminary research by a single completely credential-less man and extrapolating it to conclude that we are being mind-controlled by the My Little Pony World Domination Society.
“100 thousand people die each year from pharmacuticals. millions of children falsely diagnosed with adhd.”
Being misdiagnosed is an issue that comes with faulty training, not a deliberate effort.
Life expectancy has been trending upwards mainly due to modern medicine. Misdiagnosis is an unfortunate but also undeliberate reality.
“Vaccines have aborted babies in them according to the mainstream abc”
Within the article:
"There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram," he said. "You would find as much if you analyzed the fruits and vegetables you eat."
Back to you, crossed.
"There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram," he said. "You would find as much if you analyzed the fruits and vegetables you eat."
Round 2
Pro
#3
Thanks for the reply. According to the title we are being dumb down by the powers which rule over us. I do not need to specify a specific group.If they are a power which rule's over us. They count. I can lump the secret society's corporations and government into one basket. I only need to prove one of these things to meet the burden of proof. I do not want to just talk about one thing.I want to discuss this topic in it's entirely. I do not want to limit what i can say. I am still going to explain which groups I am talking about. I just don't need to specify which group to meet burden of proof. Con said that the us government would not poison us because we are a democracy. We elect officials. Firstly being a democracy did not stop the project MK ultra. A secret mind control project the Cia did on American citizens. Bill Clinton even apologized on tv for it. So if the American government is willing to do shock therapy on law-abiding citizens and perform mind control experiments. They are surely capable of doing a little dumbing down of its citizens. Second, I do not think we are as much of a republic as you may think. Demolay a youth group. Its a boy's scout-like group for masonic children. Anyway, its members include bill Clinton Walt Disney. twelve famous actors. twenty politicians. three astronauts. plus more. It is very easy to see what this is for. They recruit kids when they are twelve years old. They have the kids help with charity and do weird youth group stuff like canoeing or skiing. When they grow up they help them find jobs. What I mean by finding jobs. IS that they put them in the position of power like politician famous singer tv actor astronaut etc Demolay has ponds in the government Hollywood NASA. Since it has so many famous people in it surely you would have heard of it. But no this is a youth group where kids/ponds are raised to be put in positions of powers when they grow up. If groups like these are putting politicians and president clinton in power.How democratic are we? George bush was in skull and bone's and skull and bones list of famous people is just as big.If these groups are not putting positions of power then why are so many famous people coming out of these groups. Being famous chance's is like winning the lottery. This is like winning the lottery 100 times's a day. If you need any more proof that we are not live in much of a republic. All presidents beside's one are related. This was discovered in the Obama era so trump is not included because he was not the president. They Are direct descendants of a medieval English king. I said direct descendants of this king. They were bread. They may be a couple of dozen 2nd cousins from each other. But they are all direct descendants of the same English king. They were bread. Direct descendants is the magic word here. They were bread
Source's
Look at all the famous people demolay has had in its secret club
project MK ultra
bill Clinton apologizing for mk ultra. Human experimentation on law-abiding citizens
Is ruling in the genes? All presidents bar one are directly descended from a medieval English king
mainstream media outlet talking about how all but 1 presidents are related.trump was not president when made
The 13 most powerful members of 'Skull and Bones' ... From among those business titans, politicians, and three US presidents, we picked the honor roll
Secret society like these put ponds in power
Why
Con can not conceive why a government or anyone in power would want to dumb us down. He says our government put money for education to make smart. But school does not make you smart. It makes you stupid. School is designed to brainwash you. Not to make you smart. They spend millions of dollars to schools to brainwash you. Not to make you smart. We are the most educated society. But we are the dumbest. Millennials are so stupid. One of the main things are children have been brainwashed into is all the sex stuff. Like cutting your private parts off to make yourself a girl.
They are really pushing the transgender agenda on the kids.States are required to teach lgbq stuff to kids.
Many people are disturbed by the coordinated push to indoctrinate public school students into an LGBT lifestyle. However, it appears that not many in Illinois are concerned. That state just made it mandatory for all grade schools students to learn about LGBT 'history.' Breitbart News reported:
More 5 year olds getting a sex change.
5-Y-O Child Given OK to Start Sex Change in Australia
finlands children spend less time in school and less homework and they are ten times more educated than us. Mabey school is making you stupid
How
Con says that it would take a lot of money manpower and secrecy to dumb down the population. luckily government secret society's and corporation have all three.
Dead babies
Con says they only say they use aborted babies to make test receptors for food. This is what they say but remember. Originally they said there were no aborted babies in vaccines. They only used it to grow the virus they said. But this turned out to be completely untrue. Why would they lie about there being aborted babies in vaccines? But not lie about there being aborted babies in food. According to you, the article say's there are aborted babies in fruit and veggies. So there are aborted babies in food
"There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram," he said. "You would find as much if you analyzed the fruits and vegetables you eat."
No aborted babies in food. But it's in apple.LOL btw there was an entire human genenome of an entire aborted baby in vaccine's.robert f kennedy remember.560 genes aborted babie gene's linked to cancer.This came out after the abc article.Abc was saying what was believed to be true at the time.New data from Italy scientists show there is more aborted babies then originally thought.
The fetal human DNA represented in this vaccine is a complete individual genome, that is, the genomic DNA of all the chromosomes of an individual is present in the vaccine.
Patent
Patent for using cellphone to dumb down people was dismissed by con because he used mediabiasedfackchecker to dismiss my article as fake news.Luckily for me mediabiasedfactcheck is a biased source.So mediabiasedfactcheck claim that my source is invalid is now invalid. So cons claim about my source is wrong is now wrong. because the site making the claim is fake news
Media Bias Fact Check, which offers no information of the sort, and instead offers amateurish “ratings” of various news outlets. These ratings are inaccurate, useless, and changed at random. Even worse, in at least some instances, its “ratings” are simply based on information it’s cribbed from Wikipedia.
Btw i do not need this as a source. Because the actual patent is available to the public
Can you dismiss google patents as a source
Vitamin d
Why would they use the vitamin d that is known as a rat poison? But not the one that is not considered rat poison
Autism and 200 chemical's
Autism has risen this is a fact
Do more children have autism now than before?“273% Increase in Autism and We Don’t Know Why!” Thursday, April 15, 1999, Los Angeles Times
Your baby's toxic burden, and how to reduce mother and baby's ... that the placenta shielded the cord blood and the developing fetus from most pollutants. ... industrial chemicals in the blood — with an average of 200 per baby
Conclusion
If i were to buy a product and it gave me cancer.I could sue them because their product hurt me. But if they put a disclaimer on the product that says this product might give me cancer.Then i can not sue them because they warned me of the risk. This is what they have done with the food. They have put disclaimers on all the food in the form of ingredients label's so you can not sue them if they you get cancer. from there cancer filled food. They put the ingredient label on the food in a way to not get sued when someone gets ill from the food they poisoned.I extend dropped arguements
Con
#4
Thx, Crossed.
A/2 BoP:
“According to the title we are being dumb down by the powers which rule over us. I do not need to specify a specific group.If they are a power which rule's over us. They count. I can lump the secret society's corporations and government into one basket.”
PRO has freely elected “powers” to mean “all of those who rule over us”, as opposed to a specific group.
By doing this PRO has freely elected to expand their BoP substantially.
Instead of having to prove the CIA, corporate entities, the US government, or the UN are “dumbing us down,” he has to prove that a mix and mash of all these entities and more are at play in a grand scheme to stupify humanity.
“I only need to prove one of these things to meet the burden of proof.”
By defining “powers” as “all of those who rule over us” PRO has ironically demonstrated the opposite to be true.
A/2 US GOV:
“Con said that the us government would not poison us because we are a democracy. We elect officials. Firstly being a democracy did not stop the project MK ultra. A secret mind control project the Cia did on American citizens. Bill Clinton even apologized on tv for it. So if the American government is willing to do shock therapy on law-abiding citizens and perform mind control experiments. They are surely capable of doing a little dumbing down of its citizens.”
Ironically, by knowing about the MK Ultra project and by citing the fact Bill Clinton had to apologize for the program, PRO proves that the CIA or other rogue government agencies are incapable of pulling off a large scale brainwashing of the US populace.
Wikipedia states:
“The operation was officially sanctioned in 1953, reduced in scope in 1964 and further curtailed in 1967. It was officially halted in 1973.”
They further:
“In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra which led to Senate hearings later that year.”
In other words, the checks and balances of the US government stopped the MK Ultra project, and keep in mind the scope of the project was miniature in comparison to the scope of brainwashing the entire US populace. If the project were successful, PRO would not know about it and Bill Clinton would not have had to apologize.
“The operation was officially sanctioned in 1953, reduced in scope in 1964 and further curtailed in 1967. It was officially halted in 1973.”
They further:
“In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra which led to Senate hearings later that year.”
“Demolay a youth group… its members include bill Clinton Walt Disney. twelve famous actors. twenty politicians. three astronauts. plus more. It is very easy to see what this is for. They recruit kids when they are twelve years old...they put them in the position of power...If groups like these are putting politicians and president clinton in power.How democratic are we?”
PRO isn’t making an argument for elitism, in fact, he is making an argument for the value of fraternity groups. Demolay has had tens of thousands of members over its history, spanning over continents.There are 25,000 members in the US alone.
One of the reasons for the success of Demolay members is selectivity.
“To be a member of DeMolay, a young man must:
In the program, members get experience with:
“
Be between the ages of 12 and 21.- Be of good character and reputation.
- Have a belief in one God, Supreme Being or Deity.
- Complete an application.
- Attend a two-part induction ceremony.”
In the program, members get experience with:
“
- Public Speaking
- Appearance and image maintenance
- How to plan and execute events such as banquets and dances
- How to run a business (Parliamentary Procedure)
- How to prepare agendas
- How to assign, utilize, and execute committees”
elitism (if you work hard and fit the bill, you could get into Demolay), it is evidence of a method for success that works.
“All presidents beside's one are related.”
PRO claims Barack Obama is closely related to King John. Something about that seems a little bit off, but not sure what.
Jokes aside, Lee Rimmer destroys the claim that this is an elitist conspiracy pretty easily.
“Boasting ‘royal blood’ isn’t about being born with a silver spoon in your mouth – even some US Presidents, such as Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, had famously humble backgrounds – it’s about mathematical probability... the probability that anyone with Anglo-Saxon ancestry descends from King Edward III (1312-1377) [is as] high as 99.997%...
The reason why US Presidents, or you and I, can claim royal ancestry is down to what genealogists call ‘pedigree collapse’. This happens when relatives (no matter how distantly related) marry, produce offspring and narrow a family tree through duplicate appearances on it. The further back you go, the more duplicates you’ll find through multiple lines of descent.”
A/2 WHY:
The reason why US Presidents, or you and I, can claim royal ancestry is down to what genealogists call ‘pedigree collapse’. This happens when relatives (no matter how distantly related) marry, produce offspring and narrow a family tree through duplicate appearances on it. The further back you go, the more duplicates you’ll find through multiple lines of descent.”
“school does not make you smart. It makes you stupid. School is designed to brainwash you. Not to make you smart.”
PRO does not give evidence for this statement. DailyMail finds that the opposite is true, one year of extra school boosts IQ.
“One of the main things are children have been brainwashed into is all the sex stuff. Like cutting your private parts off to make yourself a girl.”
PRO asserts that transgenders are the result of brainwashing.
“finlands children spend less time in school and less homework and they are ten times more educated than us. Mabey school is making you stupid”
PRO’s source is inaccessible.
A/2 DNA
“Con says they only say they use aborted babies to make test receptors for food. This is what they say but remember. Originally they said there were no aborted babies in vaccines. They only used it to grow the virus they said.”
Who is “they”? Where did “they” say that there were no DNA molecules in vaccines?
“According to you, the article say's there are aborted babies in fruit and veggies. So there are aborted babies in food”
The article very clearly said there were small scraps of DNA fragments in the vaccine. The same amount of DNA fragments you’d find on food just from the air. If you want to call that “aborted babies” then go for it.
“ the genomic DNA of all the chromosomes of an individual is present in the vaccine.”
Right. Chromosomes are DNA.
Regardless, PRO has still not made a case why human DNA “dumbs” any of us down.
A/2 PATENT
“mediabiasedfactcheck is a biased source”
Ironically, the source PRO cites to undermine MediaBiasFactCheck is rated as “Mixed” factually by MediaBias.
“Btw i do not need this as a source. Because the actual patent is available to the public”
RECALL from R1:
“Both Collective-Evolution and PRO are taking highly preliminary research by a single completely credential-less man and extrapolating it to conclude that we are being mind-controlled by the My Little Pony World Domination Society.”
A/2 VITAMIN D
“Both Collective-Evolution and PRO are taking highly preliminary research by a single completely credential-less man and extrapolating it to conclude that we are being mind-controlled by the My Little Pony World Domination Society.”
“Why would they use the vitamin d that is known as a rat poison?”
If they chose not to we would not be getting essential nutrients in foods.
A/2 AUTISM
“Autism has risen this is a fact”
PRO simply restates the argument that CON has already refuted.
Back to you, Crossed.
Round 3
Pro
#5
Bop
If i make a debate called furniture is made out of wood . I can use every type of wood to prove my case. oak cedar and every type of wood to prove my case. This in no way means i have to prove they use every type of wood to make furniture. If i make a debate called powers which rule over us are dumbing us down.I can use every power which rule's over us.Which includes government corporations' secret society.This is not me saying i have to prove every power is dumbing us down. If i make a debate called dogs exist.I can list every dog breed black white and brown.To prove dogs exist. This is not me saying i have to prove every dog breed exist
Dropped argument
Patent to use cellphones to dumb people down
The guy who made the patent works for goverment
Pharmacuticals companies took their word pharmacy from the word pharmakeai.Why use snake as a symbol
Plum island
plum island is a research facility where they experiment on disease.It is theorized that they create disease there. plum island research facility was placed on an island so that if they have a disease outbreak.It would be contained on an island and not spread far and wide..They moved plum island to kansas.The heart of where a lot of our food is grown.Its not hard to see why they moved this facility which experiments on disease right next to area's where they grow food.It is so if they need to they can easily spread disease to kill/dumb the population
R-CALF USA Vice President Mike Schultz who raises cattle in Brewster, Kansas, said the United States is making a terrible mistake by bringing the live FMD virus into Kansas “Congress and the President are ignoring the science that tells us this research facility is an accident waiting to happen,” he said.
He is saying that moving a facility which experiments on disease to an area where all the food is grown is a bad idea.Congress and president oboma are ignoring it because they are moving it there on purpose.
In 2008 the independent, U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) conducted a study and concluded that the DHS lacks evidence to conclude that FMD research can be done safely on the U.S. mainland. The GAO raised numerous concerns regarding the inherent dangers of conducting research in close proximity to susceptible animals, such as the wildlife and cattle that surround the Manhattan site, particularly since FMD
Vaccines
The 450 aborted baby's genes were engineered to cause cancer.Scientists took the gene's and engineered them to cause cancer. They purposefully designed it to cause cancer. They were purposefully modified to cause cancer.The genes were modified genetically by vaccine makers so they cause cancer.
https://youtu.be/9rOitmeX5jA?t=128My original article say's they were engineered to cause cancer
A little bit of aborted baby does not make it ok.
They did at one point say there was no aborted babies inside vaccines
The cells used today have been copied, over and over again. They are descendant cells, which is why a common way to explain all of this, is to say that vaccines are said to have a “distant association with abortion.”
And even then, the cells are removed before the final vaccine is produced
Why would they lie about aborted babies in vaccine's but not food
- Bill gates want to depopulate the planet.Bill gate's does so by saying under the pretext if we do a really good job with the vaccine's the population will decrease. Because when people are healthier they choose to have fewer children.
Bill gates is wrong healthier people do not choose to have less children.Who breeds more health young adults or old unhealthy people.
Mk ultra
Mk ultra was said to have been stopped after bill Clintons apology in the 1990s.But after the apology continued the human experiments. government is performing mind control experiment to this day.
whitey burgley was a MK ultra test subject in 2013
You only do brainwashing if you want to dumb people down
Demolay
THe odds of an American striking rich are
The National Weather Service estimates that the odds of an American being struck by lightning in a given year are approximately one in 1.2 million
It is nearly impossible to strike it rich.the odds are 1 in 1.2 million
100 people some include walt disney and president Clinton being in a club with 25 thousand.The odds of that happening without putting ponds in power is impossible.The odds of being rich is to high.The group may select their members. But it is impossible to know if someone is going to be rich or not unless you make them rich.They could not have possibly seen walt disney and or bill clinton as talented and saw there huge successful future.I do not believe that youth groups teach children valuable skills they would use for the rest of your life. Its like saying going to the park helps kids with social skills. It may be technically true but so does everything else. Me sitting at the dinner table helps with social skills
school is brainwashing
finland link
article 8 ways schools are making kids stupid and depressed
Con mocks me sayig children are being indocturnated with lgbq
All presidents are related
President obama is half black.The odds that they all be direct descendants of the same person is pretty low.The odds of that person being a king is pretty low.If it was bob the plumber mabey but a king.
Source's for patents
The palmer report did not give media fack check a mixed review.I do not know where con got that
Palmer Report exclusive: “Media Bias Fact Check” is a malicious scam site
Vitamin D
There are 5 type's of vitamin d.Why did they select the one that is the rat poison?
Fluride
Fluride is dangerous they should not be putting it in water.
fluoride's ability to damage the brain is one of the most active areas of fluoride research today. Over 400 studies have found that fluoride is a neurotoxin (a chemical that can damage the brain). This research includes: Over 200 animal studies showing that prolonged exposure to varying levels of fluoride can damage the brain, particularly when coupled with an iodine deficiency, or aluminum ...
No one logically can say the brain damage is less important than teeth.They put it in water to hurt you.It is illogical to do this otherwise
Who is dumbing people down
If i say vaccines are poison.THen i am saying pharmacutical industry is dummbing you down.If i say the food is poisoned. corporations are dumbing you down.If i say goverment is experimenting on people.THe goverment is dumbing you down.I have explained how secret society put their ponds in these areas of power.
Autism
I put study to back up claim
Con
#6
Thanks, Crossed.
A/2 BoP
“ If i make a debate called powers which rule over us are dumbing us down.I can use every power which rule's over us.Which includes government corporations' secret society.This is not me saying i have to prove every power is dumbing us down.”
PRO’s objection misinterprets CON’s argument.
CON is not arguing that PRO needs to prove every power is “dumbing us down.”
Remember, PRO argued in R2 that “I do not need to specify a specific group.If they are a power which rule's over us. They count.”
CON’s RESPONSE: “PRO has freely elected “powers” to mean “all of those who rule over us”, as opposed to a specific group… Instead of having to prove the CIA, corporate entities, the US government, or the UN are “dumbing us down,” he has to prove that a mix and mash of all these entities and more are at play in a grand scheme to stupify humanity. “
Furthermore, because PRO’s resolution says “powers” in the plural, the resolution semantically means “there are multiple powers dumbing us down.” This also refutes the idea that PRO proving a singular entity proves the resolution.
The fact is, PRO has freely elected to expand his BoP greatly.
A/2 “Dropped Argument”
CON is not arguing that PRO needs to prove every power is “dumbing us down.”
This argument has been responded to twice already.
“The guy who made the patent works for goverment
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1089106/pg1”
“Pharmacuticals companies took their word pharmacy from the word pharmakeai.Why use snake as a symbol”
CON considered this argument not worth the response, but if PRO insists…
A/2 PLUM ISLAND
“plum island is a research facility where they experiment on disease.It is theorized that they create disease there.”
This entire point falls out of the scope of the debate because it has nothing to do with us being “dumbed down” by anyone.
A/2 VACCINES
“The 450 aborted baby's genes were engineered to cause cancer.Scientists took the gene's and engineered them to cause cancer. “
PRO’s source is a random YouTuber with no authority and 4k subscribers, whose videos include titles such as:
- “TRUTH Seasonal FLU TWICE as Deadly as Coronavirus”
- “Kids got 11 vaccines in 1986 and 53 in 2017… why? The answer is all about Big Pharma profits”
- “Vaccine deep state plot to seize NaturalNews.com and criminalize all speech that questions vaccines”
- “Exclusive Biden Had Secret Surgery To 'Cure' Pedophilia”
“They did at one point say there was no aborted babies inside vaccines
“The cells used today have been copied, over and over again. They are descendant cells, which is why a common way to explain all of this, is to say that vaccines are said to have a “distant association with abortion.” And even then, the cells are removed before the final vaccine is produced”
PRO’s source says the cells are removed before the final version. This is true.
However, small traces of copied DNA probably remain. That is what PRO’s previous source mentions. Not evidence of science conspiracy.
Also RECALL: “Regardless, PRO has still not made a case why human DNA “dumbs” any of us down. “
A/2 MK ULTRA
However, small traces of copied DNA probably remain. That is what PRO’s previous source mentions. Not evidence of science conspiracy.
“But after the apology continued the human experiments. government is performing mind control experiment to this day. whitey burgley was a MK ultra test subject in 2013
https://allthatsinteresting.com/james-whitey-bulger-mk-ultra”
PRO’s source says: “he was an unwitting participant in a secret CIA experiment involving LSD during the Cold War.”
“100 people some include walt disney and president Clinton being in a club with 25 thousand.The odds of that happening without putting ponds in power is impossible.”
25 thousand CURRENTLY. There have been hundreds of thousands since the founding of Demolay.
PRO ignores most of CON’s previous responses.
RECALL:
“PRO isn’t making an argument for elitism, in fact, he is making an argument for the value of fraternity groups. Demolay has had tens of thousands of members over its history, spanning over continents.There are 25,000 members in the US alone.
One of the reasons for the success of Demolay members is selectivity. Another is the nature of the program itself.”
A/2 EDUCATIONAL BRAINWASHING
PRO’s source highlights why Finland has better results, and it's not a lack of school:
“There are three things that have positively affected the quality of Finnish schools that are absent in American schools. First, Finland has built a school system that has over time strengthened educational equity....Second, teachers in Finland have time to work together with their colleagues during the school day...Finally, play constitutes a significant part of individual growth and learning in Finnish schools.”
“PRO isn’t making an argument for elitism, in fact, he is making an argument for the value of fraternity groups. Demolay has had tens of thousands of members over its history, spanning over continents.There are 25,000 members in the US alone.
One of the reasons for the success of Demolay members is selectivity. Another is the nature of the program itself.”
“There are three things that have positively affected the quality of Finnish schools that are absent in American schools. First, Finland has built a school system that has over time strengthened educational equity....Second, teachers in Finland have time to work together with their colleagues during the school day...Finally, play constitutes a significant part of individual growth and learning in Finnish schools.”
“article 8 ways schools are making kids stupid and depressed
https://theunboundedspirit.com/school-children/”
This is an opinion article from someone who has no authority, and CON believes that these flaws are not evidence of a global conspiracy… Simply flaws in a system that we are trying to fix.
“Con mocks me sayig children are being indocturnated with lgbq”
This is the purported mocking from R2: “PRO asserts that transgenders are the result of brainwashing.”
A/2 ALL PRESIDENTS RELATED
PRO ignores CON’s previous refutations and continues to claim a black man is closely related to King John. Nuff said.
A/2 VITAMIN D
A/2 ALL PRESIDENTS RELATED
PRO ignores CON’s previous refutations and continues to claim a black man is closely related to King John. Nuff said.
A/2 VITAMIN D
“There are 5 type's of vitamin d.Why did they select the one that is the rat poison?”
The 5 types have different properties and are needed by the body for different purposes.
RECALL: If they chose not to include Vitamin D3 we would not be getting essential nutrients in foods.
RECALL: “Rat poisons simply have such a high concentration of vitamin D they are dangerous to consume. Foods have lower concentrations.”
A/2 FLUORIDE
RECALL: Fluoride in water is regulated and safe.
“Fluoride is toxic at high concentrations, but these are much higher than the levels found in toothpaste and tap water.”
A/2 AUTISM:
PRO ignores CON’s response.
CONCLUSION:
RECALL: If they chose not to include Vitamin D3 we would not be getting essential nutrients in foods.
RECALL: “Rat poisons simply have such a high concentration of vitamin D they are dangerous to consume. Foods have lower concentrations.”
A/2 FLUORIDE
RECALL: Fluoride in water is regulated and safe.
“Fluoride is toxic at high concentrations, but these are much higher than the levels found in toothpaste and tap water.”
A/2 AUTISM:
PRO ignores CON’s response.
CONCLUSION:
Voters can flow through all of CON’s case and all of CON’s responses.
VOTE CON.
VOTE CON.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
There's honestly just not a lot to do with this debate, so I'll make this quick. Pro, you really need to make sure you define your burdens from the outset and all your terms. You let your opponent string you along with responses on that front that could have been confronted straight up in R2, but which you largely responded to by just saying he was wrong. I buy that you have to show that there are at least 2 powers that are facilitating this process, which isn't good for your arguments because that does mean I need two distinct groups. You can't just throw out a bunch of possible suspects; these had to be very clear at some point in the debate.
Meanwhile, much of Pro's arguments in support of his side have more to do with physical harm than dumbing down, so much of his case is just off topic. That just leaves the cell phone argument and the vaccines cause autism point. The cell phone point seems divisive, but it probably could have held some weight if it was clear what powers are involved in this plot. Pro seems set on arguing that it's more than just a single guy, but he never provides any support for that, relying on sources that may not be accurate enough to stand alone. As for the vaccine point, this is better linked to powers (mainly corporations), but lacks the links to prove it. Pro almost entirely focuses on a claim that DNA found in these vaccines can cause cancer (off topic) and autism, but provides no support for those arguments, and Con provides sources that both run counter to those claims and address the issue more thoroughly.
Pro's entire case amounts to a series of claims with threadbare evidence to support them, and with most of them off topic and the remainder failing to check all the necessary boxes to meet his burdens, Pro's case just doesn't have any teeth to it. As Con doesn't have these burdens, he wins the debate by default. I also award sources to Con, as Pro's sources largely devolved as the debate went on, including several YouTube videos and highly suspect (read: biased) websites. Finally, I take the rare step of awarding S&G. Seriously, Pro, work on your spacing between sentences. It's jarring to read through your argument when there's no space between your period and your next sentence. Also, at least occasionally, it would be nice to see some proofreading. All these misspelled words make it so much harder to read through.
Bump for votes
Halfway through reading this debate and Con probably won.
That is just gish gallop.
Basically illuminati
Wait a minute, what is this?
this debate looks very painful. You're gonna need Oromagi's destruction to kill all these ridiculous sources.
Good luck. I just now realized how quickly I accepted, sorry if you couldn't add details