Instigator / Con
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1627
rating
37
debates
66.22%
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Topic
#2415

There Is evidence that a Theistic God created the Universe.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
12
0
Better sources
8
8
Better legibility
4
4
Better conduct
1
4

After 4 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Sum1hugme
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
12,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
16
1363
rating
13
debates
3.85%
won
Description

I offer this debate as a digression from our first debate. And it's a discussion I really enjoy.

Terms:

Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Fact - A point of data that is objectively verifiable
Universe - Spacetime and their contents

- Please no solipsism.
- These terms are not to be redefined at any point in the Debate.
- BoP is on Pro to provide facts that support the resolve.
- Let's be respectful and have fun.

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@Sum1hugme

My experience is showing. Let me rephrase just so I'm not trying to sound debatey and say something else. Lol

The PM sounds great, I didn't want to impose. I think that makes a ton of sense given the first debate hahaha. No offense taken. If you're willing to be patient with me and help me learn, I'd be foolish not to put my ego aside and admit I have much to learn. I try not to be foolish.

I'll send you that and please feel free to restate, but I'll try to get it to a PRO: Truth claim, CON: Conflicting Truth Claim to PRO.

Something to reference back to (and for me in a big way) to keep on topic. I look forward to it. And then once we agree I'll create the debate and take the PRO side.

Thanks again.

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@UpholdingTheFaith

If you want, you could also send me a resolve since it would be better if you argued first as pro anyway

or*

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@UpholdingTheFaith

If you pm me, (the little green message button), we can talk about a specific resolve. Like maybe deistic instead of theistic?

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@Sum1hugme

I think i have a more targeted argument to offer up on this same topic. If you're interested in trying again some time, just let me know. Either tag me in a new one or I can do the same. If not, no worries. I enjoyed our conversation and after a few debates have thought through my arguments with more rigor and flow.

As to not set something up for no reason. I realize id have to specify intelligent designer. I think that designer to God is a whole different debate. I'd be very interested though if you wanted to engage in that debate. My personal view is that it's a too complicated deductive argument to go from evidence the universe was created to Jesus is God. This is admittedly my stance and view. My thought for what it's worth. No need to discuss "which designer if any of the religions are right " if we fundamentally disagree that the evidence suggests designer or not. I hope you see my point. I'm not trying to force a view or force you into a conversation you don't want to have.

Either way this was awesome, thank you! And again your patience with my newness here is super appreciated. You're under no obligation and you still hung in there. Ive learned because of it and can now do better. That's awesome.

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@Intelligence_06
@UpholdingTheFaith

Awe shucks, you flatter me

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@Intelligence_06

I'll route for him. Such a pleasurable and engaging conversation. I feel i better understand where he's coming from and have personal follow-ups to investigate. Sounds like a successful exchanging of views and ideas.

I am pretty sure Sum1hugme will be in the top ten after a few months.

Nope. One such would be the law of conservation of matter/energy. It cannot be created or destroyed.

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@UpholdingTheFaith

did you mean to say "unlikely laws of physics"?

I offer this debate as a digression from our first debate. And it's a discussion I really enjoy.

Terms:

Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Agreed.
Fact - A point of data that is objectively verifiable
Agreed.
Universe - Spacetime and their contents
Agreed.

- Please no solipsism.
Just looked that up. I'm good with that but hold to the idea some very big, large scale Universe questions are unprovable. I hope there's a distinction there. I think we know light exists and is packaged in photons for example. I think H20 to be 2 hydrogen and one oxygen atom even if the inner building blocks are still being sorted out. Etc.
- These terms are not to be redefined at any point in the Debate.
Agreed!
- BoP is on Pro to provide facts that support the resolve.
May i propose we take one thing at a time. I'm happy to continue on via another debate if necessary. But I dont think this will be productive if I drop 5, 10 facts etc and we try to handle all
- Let's be respectful and have fun.
Please. My faith calls for me to share the reason for the hope I have in a way that is gentle and respectful. I seek to do that in all interactions. Not the judgmental and haughty interactions I see "Christians" offer up or more likely force down people's throats. It drives me nuts.

Final thought. I more so think the areas I can voice are a counter conclusion to that of secular science based upon the same evidence presented on the current theory.