Instigator / Pro
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1706
rating
33
debates
80.3%
won
Topic
#2445

Is abortion ethical?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
6
Better sources
6
4
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
0
3

After 3 votes and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Ancap460
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
16
1517
rating
11
debates
59.09%
won
Description

Description:

Topic: Is abortion ethical

Instigator's Position: PRO
Instigators claim: Abortion is ethical

Contender's Position: CON
Instigators claim: Abortion is not ethical/Unconvinced of PRO's claim, "Abortion is ethical"

Abortion is a contentious topic throughout the US a 44% (acceptable) and 47% (unacceptable) split tells a very straight forward story [1]. That, at least Americans, are heavily divided on this issue. Due to this, I want to have a debate regarding the topic.

This debate is meant to expand both side's knowledge pool of abortion, provide an interaction between the sides so as to negate echo chambers, and of course, demonstrate your position. As such I will provide key definitions below as well as the basic structure and stipulations of the debate.

Key Terms [2]:

Abortion - "the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus"

Ethical - "involving or expressing moral approval or disapproval" specifically referring to approval in this case

So to clarify the topic using the current definitions, "The act of terminating a pregnancy should be expressed with moral approval"

Debate Regulations:

- No new cases in the last two rounds

- If you do not address a point, you have dropped said point

- Concession of specific rounds is allowed, but any more than one will count as a forfeit of the debate

- Forfeit will result in loss of the debate

Thank you, I look forward to the debate!

Sources:

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/244625/morality-abortion-2018-demographic-tables.aspx
[2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/

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@Safalcon7

Definitely, I could have done waay better if I didn't rush myself. Props to Ancap definitely though. I'm actually planning on redoing this one once I'm not so busy, I have so many goals and stuff I have to write right now that I don't know if I can give this topic the proper respect it deserves right now.

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@Theweakeredge
@Ancap460

Close fight. I love such encounters. Good job, both.

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@Theweakeredge

I really enjoyed the debate. Happy to have had it.

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@Barney

Ah, that's all fine, thanks for responding though!

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@Theweakeredge

I’ve been insanely busy over the Halloween season. I did a couple easy votes, but this one looks like one that will take real effort.

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@Barney
@Ancap460

I hate to see it so close, but alas, I suppose I lost this debate. Unless we get a last minute voter, which I do not see happening. Thanks for the good debate Ancap, I look forward to future endeavors!

One day left, last calls for voters!

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@Theweakeredge

you also might want to watch this in case you want to take on pro side next time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5k9EDgY8UM.

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@Barney

Vote Please?

I'm an atheist and I'm pro life because of the scientific proof that a fetus is a human being. Adoption is available for any unwanted kids. Any woman who does not want pregnency should use an IUD if they wish to be sexually active. Abortion rates are going down for the 40th straight year. Eventually, it will be known as America's 2nd sin.

I’m too new

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@Theweakeredge

Alas, I cannot vote yet.

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@Theweakeredge

That's a long debate. I don't think I'll have the time to get through that. Sorry.

The points are one-off, and it's driving me insane, at this point, I just want it in one direction or the other. I mean, I would like votes for me, but at this point....

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@oromagi
@SirAnonymous
@Kbub530

Would you consider voting?

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@MisterChris

Thanks

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@Theweakeredge

I'll try

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@MisterChris
@Intelligence_06

Would you consider Voting?

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@Crocodile

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>Reported Vote: Crocodile // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 5:1; 5 points to PRO.
>Reason for Decision: "Regularly styled."
>Reason for Mod Action: After decades of deliberation and debate, the moderators have ruled that two words is not sufficient to meet the established voting requirements.

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@Ancap460

As the guy who forfeited two rounds, don't worry about it at all. It was a fun debate, I liked the back and forth for the standard of morality. Looking forward to debates in the future.

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@Theweakeredge

Sorry for forfeiting the last round. Life got to me. I apologize.

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@Theweakeredge

no problem. This debate might help: https://www.debateart.com/debates/2473-on-balance-abortion-should-remain-legal

My strategy is to resort to essential rights to body until the opponent proves otherwise. You could mention baby violating the woman, but it's only later that you have to address unintended nature, so on and so forth.

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@seldiora

Thank you for the advice! I'll definitely take it into consideration in my next debate, I'll try to make my arugments more succint.

That’s the first time I’ve seen someone use transgender to refute abortion...

As agreed in the description however, more than one forfeit is considered a loss on the part of the forfeiter, regardless of whether I have the argument done NOW, I am still technically in the lost category. I'm sorry for the difficulties and disappointment this debate has been on my side. I will post my next argument as soon as I am able, simply to continue the discussion.

Okay, I have the argument in it's completeness done. But it is not letting me post it, it is within character limits however. I'm very confused

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@Theweakeredge

I'm trying to meet the deadline but I might not be able to. If I miss it, would you be willing to have both sides forfeit and restart with one week speeches so no one misses any in the next one?

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@Intelligence_06

I'd be inclined to agree, but I refuse to sacrifice content, what I'll do is just make arguments a week for now on. Also, considering our last debate.... I can tell you. It is so frustrating whenever, I, type out a argument worth like 10 pages in google docs, and then you respond with a like a page. For me, I just like establishing my presuppositions.

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@Theweakeredge

Your arguments are relatively long, and if you can't get it in 3 days, maybe it is your problem.

No, no, I am not blaming you. If you can have something else to blame or you can settle it yourself then nothing really happened.

Maybe shorten your arguments. Ever since this account has been created I have won people with shorter arguments than them.

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@Intelligence_06

What do you mean? I typed out a paragraph for you, here I have to establish the definitions, argue for the definitions, establish a case for morality, then establish a case for which standard, then the actual argument for abortion. Not to mention, that I deleted half of it by my switching of gmails, so.... Calm down.

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@Theweakeredge

So you are able to respond to me in a matter of 2 hours even defeating me but here now 3 isn't enough? WHAT?

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@Ancap460

Okay..... that' s my bad. MisterChris was right is the basics, 3 days isn't enough (for me at least) to write out these arguments with classes and everything. Soorrry. At least now I'll have more time?

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@zedvictor4

It depends on which axiom you're presuming a stance of ethical from. I would bet that most humans have a similar axiom which they base their morality off of, but I could even argue the same for egoist and nihalist.

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@Theweakeredge

Is ethical not as contrived as unethical?

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@Theweakeredge

Yeah. The exact topic is "Resolved: A public health emergency justifies limiting civil liberties." but LD topics always pretty much come down to "Judge, you should value safety/liberty over this other thing!"

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@MisterChris

Safety vs Liberty? That's a super interesting one, I'm always one to like a values debate!

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@Theweakeredge

Thanks! Looks like we will be debating safety vs. liberty on an LD style topic. Should be fun

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@MisterChris

It's fine, good luck with the tournament and school stuff.

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@Theweakeredge

Eh... I shouldn't. I have a lot of school stuff coming up, plus the tournament to worry about.

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@zedvictor4

I'm sorry, could you clarify your question?

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@Theweakeredge

Why are ethics ethical?

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@MisterChris

I can lengthen the time for arguments if you'd like. I'd be fine with that, three days are a bit short, but it's what I usually have it set as.

I'd accept but... it's a bit too many rounds and too short time for arguments for me.