Instigator / Pro
3
1266
rating
119
debates
15.97%
won
Topic
#26

Rap is the most lyrically advanced form of music

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
0
1

After 1 vote and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

Smithereens
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Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1528
rating
2
debates
100.0%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con/Smithereens is SORELY MISLED ABOUT RAPS when saying things like 'raps are lyrically primitive and don't require a lifetime of practise' hahaha I will like to show them Chris Webby or Vinnie Paz oh god the level of wrong cannot be put into words.

Here is my issue, I know for a FACT that Pro is completely correct here and I love rap deeply as it's helped me come out of suicidal thought whereas metal and rock kept me being suicidal and unhappy. I deeply adore rap and know just how much more advanced it is lyrically compared to other musical forms... On the other hand, I know for a fact that Pro never does explain how to subjectively make something valid (this is where Pro goes wrong, it didn't have to be an objective scale to be objectively verifiable). You can have a subjective scale that's objectively verifiable such as the way people vote here 'more convincing arguments', 'most reliable sources' 'better conduct' are all subjective. Even 'better spelling and grammar' leaves a subjective element where we need to decide if one typo is bad enough to vote against a side (hint, it isn't).

What is true is that Con was totally wrong here and that they tried to even disqualify rap as a form of music by saying it didn't have melody or rhythm even though it's among the most rhythmically-developed genres in the entirety of music. Pro does call out these lies but what Pro does wrong is to never fully elaborate on how to calculate the lyrical advancement of something. It is subjective but you can objectively verify what is a consistent subjective valuing of something which is how voting on this site works for example.

In the rap battle at the end of Round 3, Pro has poor conduct making vague threats and directly insulting Con at times:

"In your subjective view, rap is trash right?
I'm about to laugh right
in your face, after I show you what raps like
you're an ass wipe
you're the bitch ass type
brain-farting at the mouth like a sputtering gas pipe
last night"

"cause my mantras keep
you off your feet
after you read my stanza sheet
and you lost the teeth"

"to make sure you respire and you're kept alive, your
puny human lungs are no match for the depth of my words
my skills I will never let decline or
get retired
why is it the best alive are
less admired
than greedy deceptive liars?
cause' the retchid spiders
get to buy your
thoughts, with the media outlets acquired
by fake news weaponizers"

As for sources, Pro only links to actual raps instead of linking to sources that reliably state something or measure something or even state something at all supporting their side. It's wrong to expect people to watch an entire video and even more wrong if you yourself don't highlight what in the video supports your case. In contrast, Con does the exact same thing so I say it's a tie by both having terrible sourcing strategy.