Instigator / Pro
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1644
rating
64
debates
65.63%
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Topic
#2678

THBT Doping Should Remain Illegal in Sports Within US

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
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Better sources
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2
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1
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1

After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Sum1hugme
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1627
rating
37
debates
66.22%
won
Description

Burden of proof shared, no new arguments in final round. No kritiks.

Dope: administer drugs to an athlete in order to inhibit or enhance sporting performance.

Sports: all forms of competitive physical activity or games which, through casual or organized participation, at least in part aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing enjoyment to participants, and in some cases, entertainment for spectators. Chess is not considered a sport for this debate.

I repeat, opponent cannot argue that chess is a sport.

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@Undefeatable

Haha, yeah since this one was unrated I went with the different strategy where instead of carefully planning my arguments I just argued off the dome.

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@whiteflame

Thank you for voting.

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@Undefeatable

I'll give three bits of advice.

First, you should be spending a good deal of time hitting at your opponent's framework. He's spending a lot of time arguing that we need to uphold the value of freedom because it's somehow the most important value in the US. I can see a lot of reasons why that's wrong, and I think challenging that assumption would have been a good place to start.

Second, I did give an alternative impact in the RFD that I think would work better than the ones you presented, since it challenges the notion that everything is fundamentally a personal choice. I think as long as you push back on the freedom argument, you bolster your own point. Trying to stress human dignity really doesn't do a lot for you unless you can argue that these people aren't actually choosing to sacrifice it.

Third, you might just go with the notion that not everyone understands the risks. It's not terribly uncommon for people to enter into something without full understanding of what they're actually seeking, and particularly if they're entering into this league, they might feel that it's the only place they stand a chance and be assured of minimal risks when there are many to concern them. Especially as doping advances, I could see the risks being uncertain going forward, so even if there's no reason for people not to understand it now, there's lots of reason to believe that people won't be able to provide informed consent to pursue this (similar to my argument from our debate). That's where the dignity argument comes into it.

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@whiteflame

how would you recommend to improve the impacts? I noted that most of my researched articles noted that no rational athlete would actually dope, and it would encourage sacrificing yourself merely for entertainment. I tried to stress upholding of human dignity, but it doesn't seem you brought that. I suppose I'm not the best at arguing the Kantian framework.

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@Sum1hugme

oho. Not bad. I barely used all my effort though, lol. I don't count unrated as truly beaten. ;)

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@whiteflame

Right on

I'm working on this. Shouldn't take me terribly long.

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Vote bump, in case anyone else is feels like voting too

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@Theweakeredge

Right on

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@Sum1hugme

I'll give it a look

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@Sum1hugme

Done.

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@Undefeatable

Make this unrated and I'll accept

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@Sum1hugme

I thought of Queens Gambit and I liked the show too much to argue against what Beth is doing

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@Undefeatable

Well it's just wrong to not consider chess a sport lol

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@Intelligence_06
@Theweakeredge

What’s your stance? Also pro?

Bump. I can extend this to worldwide at request but I’m going to need more research.