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Topic
#2697

THBT After COVID, US Should Adopt an Open Border Policy

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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Better sources
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Better legibility
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Better conduct
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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Undefeatable
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Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
15,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
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Description

This is a “on net balance” kind of topic. After COVID is resolved and no longer considered a major problem, US Should Implement Open Border policy (probably a federal law). Based on my framework of my refugee debate, I believe we should make up for our mistakes by allowing immigrants to flow in and out of the country as they please. This is the main focus but I will also bring up trading benefits to help my case. Burden of proof is shared.

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@Undefeatable

What do you mean by migrants competing with workers? Do you mean competing for jobs? If that’s the case, America’s population goes up year after year and our unemployment rate does not grow. The unemployment rate is not tied to population growth.

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@TheUnderdog

Ironically, my real belief is far more complex than this. Open border is probably quite problematic in reality due to immigrant issue competing with natives (see Whiteflame debate against Gugigor). The alternative of Citizenship Market also largely dulls the impact of my case. However, if I had to choose status quo vs open border, I’d probably choose open border.

I'm glad the pro open border side won for once. You'd figure if tthe stats on people that supported open borders were accurate, a supporter couldn't win. Yet I want more support for this idea.

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@Undefeatable

I skimmed over some parts of your arguments, so I don't know if you mentioned this but the food is also a factor. I mean we have Italian food everywhere and all we had to do to get it was let in a couple of million immigrants. Imagine all the delicious food we would be getting by letting in more refugees and immigrants.

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@Jasmine

That already happens. Feel free to do your research whether it outweighs saving refugees and helping economy.

What about human trafficking and illegal stuff getting into the US?

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@fauxlaw

you know, I should've used golden rule to support humanitarianism innately moral and obligated to do it. Nicely done to overturn the crux of my argument.

Apologies, forgot to change the doc to be viewable by anyone with the link. Done now.

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@Undefeatable

Your #16 post borders on voting suggestions, or more to the point, "Vote rigging." See voting policy. You can request that a voter vote fairly. Beyond that, you're on thin ice, my friend.

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@fauxlaw

How are border restrictions a function of sovereignty? Nepal has open borders with India, yet Nepal is a distinct, sovereign country.

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@Undefeatable

Been caught up with our debate. I’ll try to get through the rest this weekend and get up an RFD.

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@Undefeatable

I'll see what I can do

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@whiteflame
@MisterChris

There's only five days left and this might be buried under all the other debates. You two can both vote.

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@Undefeatable

I'll give it a vote, shouldn't be a problem.

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@whiteflame

Feel free to take a look later if you have time. This felt weird for a policy debate because con only tried to negate impacts without many unique detrimental impacts of open border or unique benefits of restricted border. I’m interested if my “take a step back” conclusion worked or not.

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@Undefeatable

"THBT After COVID, US Should Adopt an Open Border Policy"

I take your resolution at its word. More after I've read your R4, and enter mine to close out the debate.

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@fauxlaw

If this topic had been “the open border policy is A just policy for US” your argument would’ve been great. But sadly morality isn’t super big on politics lol

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@TheUnderdog

Now that I have published my R2, I'll give you the answer: The 14A. It does not use the term "open border" but the language is clearly defending sovereignty of the United States. Borders are a function of sovereignty.

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@fauxlaw

Sorry about the 14th amendment rebuttal typo, I meant that only lawful and permanent resident’s child is considered US Citizen

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@TheUnderdog

Once I begin a debate, I stop commentary on it. Look it up yourself.

I think open borders will help the US pay off it’s debt because our tax revenue would quadruple. Easy immigration worked for the UAE.

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@fauxlaw

Where in the constitution does it prohibit open borders?

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@fauxlaw

Alright. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

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@whiteflame

Valid points, but having accepted the debate, I no longer comment on strategy. I am aware.

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@fauxlaw

I'd advise you to be careful on the whole "this is basically never going to happen in the real world" stance. Depending on how he runs this, he can either argue that this is entirely theoretical and thus leave apart the issue of practicality entirely, or he can argue this as policy and use fiat to guarantee that it happens within the context of this debate. You have recourse in both cases, and especially in the latter, there's reasonable arguments to be made about what forcing this would actually do, but I'd suggest you don't run the argument that this can't happen. It's a "should" resolution, ergo it's a discussion of whether it is worth doing, not whether it can happen.

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@Undefeatable

Your open border policy "probably by federal law" is a non-sequitur. The Constitution already stipulates against such a policy, and to change that requires more than a federal statute. It requires a congressionally-passed [by 75% majority] and State-ratified [by 75% majority] amendment, per Article V. Good luck.

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@Undefeatable

This one really interests me, but I'd have to do a bunch more research before I would consider taking it myself. Maybe if no one else grabs this one I will after some more research.

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@Undefeatable

I agree, though it also engenders a host of harms that are specific to an open border over just opening up to movement of labor. Watched an exceptional debate on opening up borders to labor that allowed those advocating it to skirt around a lot of those problems.

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@whiteflame

to be fair, Open border also offers trade benefit and various other things that we need

Be interested to see how this one shapes up. I personally wouldn't go this far, but one of these days I mean to do a "let anyone work anywhere" topic. However, at least for this case, I don't like running that kind of counterplan, since it's just meant to steal some of your impact while avoiding some of the negatives. Always feel like that's a cop out that avoids a great deal of the debate. I have no doubt you'll get someone to take a fully opposing position.