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The Matrix: On balance, taking the blue pill, as opposed to the red pill, is more beneficial for Neo(Read Description)

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After 1 vote and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
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Description

So essentially the story goes like this: It is the future and robots have taken over the world and we humans are enslaved. We lie all day in liquid nitrogen tanks, plugged as a machine program makes you live in the dream world that will make you think it is real, so they can use us as storage for electricity and make sure that almost none of us realize what is going on and rage against the machines. It is just Mandatory VR sessions for life.

Humans are reproduced to be for storage. When one is "born", he/she/they will be plugged so they will start to exist in the dream world. Human growth and the speed of flowing time are consistent in both realms. When one dies in any realm, he/she/they translates to electrical energy and becomes replaced by another baby, who continues the cycle.

Neo is one such person and everything in his life seems normal. Neo is hired as an IT engineer and is also a computer hacker. Someone tells him that the world is virtual and all that machine extravaganza. It is his choice to take the blue or red pill.

The Red pill is a signal that you want to wake up and escape this dream world, and they put a silvery conductive liquid onto you so you could be disrupted and wake up in the machine world where there are robot spiders everywhere.

The Blue pill is a signal that you want to continue living in the dream world instead of waking up in the "real" world. Then they will remove your memory about the "real world" talk and you continue your life, your everyday struggle.

My stance is that taking the Blue pill is more beneficial to Neo as a person, instead of the Red pill. The BoP is shared.

Note that Blue Pill or Blue-pill refers to the pill itself, and bluepill, without a hyphen or space, refers to people that have taken the blue pill and are unaware that they live in a virtual world, Vice versa(Redpill refers to a person who took the red pill and thus cheated the system and has woke up in the real world aware that they have been living in a virtual world). Misusing the terms so they cause considerable misunderstanding would be an S&G loss.

Everything here is hypothetical but nevertheless follows the story and logic of the saga. Saying that taking the red pill is the status quo for Neo is simply an argument fallible enough that it isn't counted towards the end.

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Sorry R3 [4] was wrong, it is this
https://youtu.be/87h7pTkf6nA

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@gugigor

I can see that you have visited the Neo article in the Matrix Wiki at least 13 hours ago.

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@Intelligence_06

What do you think about these statements:

1. Machines can impossibly extract more energy from human brains than it costs to keep them alive
2. In fact such a simulation would be impossible to escape - even if you knew about it your brain is connected to the virtual body, not the real one
3. There is no need for adding any layer of deception - humans do not know about the real world and thus cannot know they live in a simulation

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts.

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@Intelligence_06

What if this debate isn’t a joke, but real life?

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@Intelligence_06

the premise is probably more controversial if you said it would be more beneficial for Neo to take blue than red. Because I'm not sure the average person has what it takes. Neo has the cleverness and sneaky nature of a computer hacker that seems more suited to be "the One" in my opinion.