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Topic
#2806

Liberalism is inherent with Socialism

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
0
2
Better legibility
1
0
Better conduct
1
1

After 1 vote and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
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Publication date
Last updated date
Type
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Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
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Open
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6
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Description

this is the first debate i came up with so that's fun

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@Benjamin

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>Reported Vote: Benjamin // Mod action: Removed
>Voting Policy: https://tiny.cc/votingpolicy
>Points Awarded: 5 to con.
>Reason for Decision: See Comments Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:
Pretty much cite how "CON showed that socialism and liberalism are independent and sometimes contradictory" and likewise how at least one of those many sources supported this.

In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.

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Benjamin
Added: 2 days ago
Reason:
Sources:
No sources from PRO. He referenced some literature but it does not even compare to CON.

Arguments:
PRO did not fulfill his BoP with sources. Nevertheless, CON showed that socialism and liberalism are independent and sometimes contradictory, fulfilling BoP.

Sorry, in r2 I was meant to say that Stalinism is communisT and communism is socialisT, not M. Typo.

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@Sum1hugme

And all I'm saying is that that is a generalization

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@Theweakeredge

Modern liberalism oftentimes aligns with socialist economics, that's all I'm saying.

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@Sum1hugme

I wouldn't say so, I'd say people who are modernly liberal happen to agree with socialism, they aren't intrinsically linked. Socialism is an economic structure, modern liberalism is more about social rights.

...LibreOffice is still janky, but at least it is better.

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@Theweakeredge

He may not, but modern liberalism is very close to socialism.

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@Sum1hugme

And I don't think this person knows what socialism is.

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@Intelligence_06

Idk what kind of liberalism he's talking about, he didn't specify. But I think that there's always liberalism implicit in socialism is his resolve

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@Sum1hugme

Is he arguing that There is always socialism in liberalism or if there is always liberalism in socialism? I can argue both, but I want to prioritize the correct interpretation.

Maybe modern liberalism. But not classical liberalism.

As a Chinese citizen and long-time Reddit Dweller, I disagree fully.