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The Egyptians did not build the Pyramids (Final)

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Theweakeredge
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There is actually a lot of evidence that the Egyptians did not build the pyramids. For one, corundum is the second hardest material on earth, second to diamond. And the number of marble slabs used to build the pyramid (2.5 million slabs make pyramid at Giza in all), doesn't seem possible for human achievement. I did the math. The amount of workers it would take to create all of them doesn't add up. Lastly, it is true that Ramses chiseled his name in on all of them but that doesn't mean he commissioned them. More significantly, you could tell someone chiseled his name abruptly. It looks like graffiti. If I go to Paris today and write my name on it in a thousand years they will say I built the Eiffel Tower.

When the Greeks went to Egypt the Egyptians themselves admitted that they didn't build the pyramids, the gods did. The Greeks had no quarrels admitting the imperfection of their statutes, they weren't perfect. When you look at a Greek statue it looks beautiful, but you can tell it was hand-made. Even if you're not thinking about it, you are subconsciously reminded that this is only a human achievement. Not so much with Eyptgian statutes. They're perfectly symmetrical. Even today we could not make the statues that the Egyptians made. It's amazing. Either our understanding of Egyptian history is flawed or something is going on because I think there’s a lot of evidence to support my theory, which makes sense.

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@Theweakeredge

Start a debate and I will prove it there.

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@turk082

Can you prove that?

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@Theweakeredge

Spiderman is a movie. Torah is reality. Millions of Jews heard the Ten commandments in real life.

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@turk082

And why do I care what the bible says? Its literally just a bunch of assertions? In The Amazing Spider-Man comic 2018, hundreds of new yorkers swore that they saw Spider-Man, and were rescued by him, now, do you believe in Spider-Man?

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@Theweakeredge

Nope. Only the Bible claims mass-witnesses. No other religion can be proven except for Judaism. Listen, if you want to debate this let me know and we can make a new debate.

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@turk082

Actually, all major religion rely on mass testimony, the bible is unique in that its book claims that to be the case - which proves nothing, its literally just another assertion by the bible, nothing more.

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@Theweakeredge

You err in negating mass-witness testimony. All other religions rely on a single witness, but Judaism relies on millions of Jews witnessing an event in the desert.

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@turk082

those are literally just the bible, if a comic of Spider-Man said that it was real, would you also believe that?

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@Theweakeredge

Both the New Testament and Qur'an attest that what the Bible says is true, is true.

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@turk082

That is incorrect, we have no extra-bibular sources confirming that it is true. We have the bible and people saying it's true, nothing else.

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@Theweakeredge

If having a few disputing sources to Caesar's existence is satisfactory enough for you, then how much more so is having millions of witnesses? We know Moses authored the Bible, too, among others. Two major world religions, both Christianity and Islam accept the Torah's account.

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@turk082

Here's you assuming that I don't question those sources. I do. The fact of the matter is that we have verification much beyond anything we have on the bible. We know the author, we have corroborative stories from opposite sides confirming Ceasor. You cannot compare the Bible's credibility to the sources we have from Rome. It would be like comparing a little kitten to a Sabertooth Tiger.

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@Theweakeredge

How do you know the sources that you accept at face value are true? You accept that Caesar existed, yet shouldn't you be questioning the source of that, too? Again, if Moses lied, the Jews would simply have rejected him. But he didn't and as a result, we have millions of witnesses. You cannot discount millions of witnesses. Is it reasonable to say every single one of them was also lying? That makes no sense to me.

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@turk082

talk about an old argument - you see - this comes from your misunderstanding of how historical sources work. The bible is not credible in what it reports, we do not know who wrote it, we do not know their reliability with recording instances, and any sources of the bible are at the very most third hand, whereas the sources for those people are often primary sources and we have reliability within the authors. This comes back to your misunderstanding of history.

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@Theweakeredge

No one saw G-d. “You cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” Exodus 33:20. Again, millions of Jews witnessed the Sinai revelation. You would admit that George Washington, Caesar, Alexander the Great, and Columbus existed, even though you cannot ask anybody about them and even though you rely only on what the sources say about them. Yet you are convinced that Caesar existed, but be consistent, and assume Caesar never existed, too. Yet you will never make this claim because it is foolish. It is so with the Bible.

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@turk082

No... the bible claims that millions of jews saw "god", second off, anecdotal evidence is not acceptable without anything to support it. You have to already believe in the bible for the bible to be evidence of god, but you haven't proven the bible to be true.

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@Theweakeredge

There is proof that Judaism is the correct religion. G-d revealed His Bible in front of mass-witnesses— to millions of Jews. The Sinai revelation occurred because millions of people saw it. If Moses came to the Israelites and lied that they experienced the revelation they would never accept him. The testimony of millions of Jews in the Bible proves the Exodus happened as described. What masses today claim the purported events as their history other than the Jews?

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@turk082

You have made several assertions without an ounce of evidence to support your claims. No, the bible is not irrefutable, demonstrate that it is; no moses did not write the bible, demonstrate that he did. You have to prove a lot to get there.

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@Theweakeredge

Since The Bible is a guaranteed source, what it says, whatever it says, must be true. Yes, many hands helped write/edit the Bible, but the vast majority of it was written by Moses. The irrefutable evidence of Genesis proves my point.

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@turk082

The bible isn't a credible source, it's a combination of a whole bunch of 6th or 7th hand testimony, none of which is actually authored by known authors. Furthermore, the entire thing has provably false claims regarding science, the Bible is not irrefutable evidence of anything besides the fact that people don't critically read enough.

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@Theweakeredge
@Bringerofrain

I think there were Jews in Egypt. The irrefutable evidence of Genesis proves this. But I don't think the Jews built the pyramids. Heck, I don't think the Egyptians built the pyramids for that matter.

To Con's point, yes, Egyptians did not have slaves, save the Jews. The Bible is clear.

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@Bringerofrain

The workers on the Pyramids weren't slaves, they had private tombs (which was reserved for the "high courts", they got more food than the average Egyptian, alcohol (as opposed to the most polluted Nile), etc, etc.. The workers of the Pyramids were highly respected and of the high class in Egyptian civilization.

I think you are right. I just kinda assumed they were the slaves that built the pyramids. I don't know I just think it sounds like an easier argument to make whether it's true or not that Jews build a pyramids then does to argue that aliens built them.

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@turk082

The jews were never even in Egypt during the specified period, much less workers for building the Pyramids.

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@Bringerofrain

I could argue that the Jews built the pyramids, but the Bible doesn't mention it. If they did, it would have said so.

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@Sum1hugme

Haven't looked into it in a while, but I heard that seal of solomon was found at one of the pyramid sites.

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@Bringerofrain

I don't think there is any evidence that the israelites were enslaved in egypt like the bible says.

If I was pro I would have just argued the Jews built the pyramids