Instigator / Pro
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1644
rating
64
debates
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Topic
#2849

THBT Systemic Racism Is Definitely a Problem in the US

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
0
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Undefeatable
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
8
1494
rating
4
debates
25.0%
won
Description

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.

Con cannot use the bible, simulation-ism (argument that the world is merely a simulation), or quantum physics

Burden of proof is shared.

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@TheUnderdog

Nothing to do with race? Do you think white people got ahead of black people because of their contributions to the free market?

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@Undefeatable

Let me know when you create another debate.

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@Bugsy460

sure

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@RationalMadman

People who are born rich tend to have an advantage over people who are poor, but this has nothing to do with race. If poverty is to be reduced, single motherhood must end, and this is something that plaques the black and Hispanic community disproportionally. Some would say that black lives matter, but I think black fathers matter is a slogan that will help black people out more if single motherhood ends.

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@Undefeatable

Would you want to do this debate with longer time for argumentation?

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@Undefeatable

Don't worry, I fully understand the difference. There's much bigger fish to fry anyways in this debate.

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@Bugsy460

I dearly hope you don't go for Fauxlaw's same demand of "systematic" rather than systemic racism...

Sources:

 
1. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4133127/
2. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4306458/
3. scholarworks.wmich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1376&context=dissertations
4.science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6464/447.abstract
5. science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6502/351
6. science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6510/1440.2.full
7. news.mit.edu/2020/letter-systemic-racism-mit-0701
8. raliance.org/6-companies-taking-action-to-confront-systemic-racism/
9. v.gd/historyracism
10. annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-040218-043750
11.pressley.house.gov/sites/pressley.house.gov/files/Anti-Racism%20in%20Public%20Health%20Act%20Summary.pdf
12. v.gd/encyclo
13. scholarship.law.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1035&context=lawineq
14. academyhealth.confex.com/academyhealth/2019nhpc/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/29586
15. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7441277/
16.journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0890117120943736?casa_token=OZfxmkIyeXEAAAAA%3AOXVithEmZZu3JDYr5zhhXqvxPL_wthBTAGhdb6MXg_fgys5tHCQBj-nz3pWROgsE9LXSFut3lM9A
17. apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older
18. gao.gov/products/GAO-18-258
19. aclu.org/issues/juvenile-justice/school-prison-pipeline/school-prison-pipeline-infographic
20. racismreview.com/blog/2011/07/12/racism-k-12/
21.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01419870.2012.669839?casa_token=CADVrp2R-yAAAAAA%3AnKtSGcJRdVYTJgx8xtdQrzNVWj7UVlXrDOXFpR-FSxrJc1fRPINy2ro2ArIV-fE3UxTtYHGaCtrg
22. link.springer.com/book/10.1007%2F978-3-319-72233-7
23. routledge.com/Systemic-Racism-A-Theory-of-Oppression/Feagin/p/book/9780415952781
24. aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/0002828042002561
25.https://experts.illinois.edu/en/publications/success-and-failure-how-systemic-racism-trumped-the-ibrown-v-boar 
26.https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6#similarly-overall-income-for-black-americans-was-about-42-lower-than-for-whites-in-2018-6
27. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/100-statistics-prove-systemic-racism-thing-kelly-burton-phd/ 
28. https://www.vox.com/2020/6/17/21284527/systemic-racism-black-americans-9-charts-explained 
29.https://www.businessinsider.com/how-redlining-kept-black-americans-from-homeownership-and-still-does-2020-6#redlining-reforms-were-passed-in-the-late-1960s-and-70s-but-its-legacy-is-still-felt-today-3
30. https://www.today.com/tmrw/what-systemic-racism-t207878

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@Undefeatable

Hope you like the K.

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@Undefeatable

I got recked.

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@Benjamin

probably you.

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@Undefeatable

I think it is so funny that you have these topics about serious issues, and then you need to put up a rule against things like:
--quantum mechanics
--simulation
--Bible

Like, who is going to use such an argument?

The elites have distracted all of you away from economics, so you can continue to be abused by the oligarchy. The reason why ccupy walstreet failed is because of identity politics. It was a grassroots left-wing and right-wing movement and then was coopted by SJWs to distract you, and you guys are still falling for it. Your enemy is the 1% . Not "muh whites who are all rich and oppress me" or "muh minorities who want free stuff". Get your act together

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@TheUnderdog

Upper class, as well as upper-middle class, Caucasians in 'western' societt have a more privileged life due both to prejudice amongst the elite as well as money itself and all the advantages that their
Relatives and their associates give them.

See that money aspect? Yeah, that's inherited, not earned, as are all their advantages. So, perhaps think a bit before typing your "both sides are equally wrong" edgy takes.

Even the middle class Caucasians tend to have an edge in opportunities and advantages vs their African-American and Carribean-American (and other black-ethnic variants) counterparts.

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@Theweakeredge

Better reason not to is this guy will read nothing you wrote and then reply "both sides are equally wrong heee haww I'm so clever!"

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@TheUnderdog

Um... no, I could get into a deep rant about all the damage and racism that black people go through (and similarly about the sexism with women), but I won't because I am currently busy. I'm sure somebody else can give you the rant.

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@RationalMadman

Men live easier lives than women since they don't have periods ore pregnency. Yet it is what it is. This is "male privilige". This certainly doesn't justify giving women free money from the government for being women.

Whites may live easier lives than blacks because of their skin color, although this is nominal at most. This certainly doesn't justify giving blacks free money from the government for being black.

But BLM ranting about racism is like Fox News ranting about censorship. At least Fox News doesn't want Reperations for their claim that conservatives are being censored.

If the black community wants to improve their lives, the solution to this is to end the single motherhood in all communities, but especially in black and Hispanic communities(since single motherhood is more prevalent with these people). Black Fathers matter.

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@TheUnderdog

ignorance and bigotry go hand in hand. (I am referring to you as well as many of the Conservatives who say that, not BLM)

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@Undefeatable

BLM: Black people are oppressed.

Fox News: Conservatives are being opressed.

Me: Just relax, both of you.

Your asking con to prove a negative in the description. It's an unfair burden. This is like when Christians ask atheists to prove God does not exist

Actually the definition you have seems fine

I haven't read your debates on the subject. I don't like the semantic route. Semantics need to be taken care of prior to the debate in PMs or in the comment section. I have a few issues with your definition but would love to talk about how to define it in a way we both find fair, so we can stay on topic

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@Bringerofrain

good luck on con side. I've gotten a lot of tough feedback that makes the semantic argument much harder.

I'll prove it. I'll argue both pro and con on this against you and win both if you take the silly rules out of the description.

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@Undefeatable

"Burden of proof is shared. However, pro only has to show more likely than not, while con has to show their side beyond a reasonably doubt. This is because the resolution doesn’t favor pro."

That's riduliculous. And unfair. I will just vote against you and find a way to justify it. You need to debate so that way you both have equal ground to argue. Why would you ask judges to just assume systematic racism unless it is proven wrong?

Please just have fair debates

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@Undefeatable

That's a pretty small bop for Pro. "May" lolol

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@Undefeatable

Nope, exhausted subject

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@fauxlaw

Up to tango again?

Once I clear off a debate I wouldn't mind doing some variation of this if the topic can be narrowed down to talking about whether things like disproportionate sentencing is the result of racist judges or juries or some other factors.