Instigator / Pro
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1644
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debates
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Topic
#3021

Audio vs Visual Effects for Movies

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Winner
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2

After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

fauxlaw
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Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
Two months
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Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
2
1702
rating
77
debates
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Description

Audio effects: music, generated sounds, voice acting, etc

Visual effects: CGI, animation, camera angle, etc

Burden of proof is shared

Pro: audio is more crucial to master in a movie than visual

Con: Visual is more crucial to master in a movie than audio

Framework: for entertainment, keeping audience engaged, establishing mood/themes, etc.

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@Nevets

Thank you for voting

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@Barney

Thank you re-voting.

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@fauxlaw
@Undefeatable

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>Reported Vote: Ragnar // Mod action: Removed (borderline)
>Voting Policy: info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/voting-policy
>Points Awarded: Winner to con.
>Reason for Decision: See Votes Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:

Written with feedback from MisterChris.

The vote was borderline. By default, borderline votes are ruled to be sufficient. As the voter is a moderator, a little more is expected.

While the vote mentioned some highlights, it didn't truly weigh the majority of the arguments against each other in any meaningful manner.

Arguments must always be reviewed even if left a tie (in which case less detail is required, but some reason for said tie based on the debate content must still be comprehensible within the vote).

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Ragnar
Added: 1 day ago
#1
Reason:
The two things are so interconnected, but with our greater dependence on visuals con was able to coast to victory. With how open ended the definitions were, it is really hard to say definitely if any moving part of the movie is considered outside the scope (much like how pro was fast to claim silence for his side of the debate).

One thing I disliked about con's case was how much of it was a history lesson (pro did well on defense here), instead of analysis of scenes which he got into later. Con's later use of Stanley Kubrick removed all doubt from giving him the victory; as great scenes like that can be watched muted, but are just confusing to try to listen to without watching.

Pro's biggest weakness I believe would be relying on how sound can reshape scenes, instead of focus on scenes made by the sound.

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@Undefeatable

The vote against your argument placed by Ragnar has been submitted for review. For obvious reasons I cannot review it. When another moderator is less busy, they'll probably get around to it.

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@Undefeatable

I made my vote short, but I read the debate. That I added commentary about one being truly critical and the other not, based on evidence offered during the debate doesn't change that. I do not think this debate was on the subject of banning either of them, rather just which aspect it more important to movies; to which con by asking the audience to watch a short clip muted, was able to powerfully demonstrate we are dependant on one and not the other.

I reviewed a sampling of the sources. Notably your Jack Pierce piece and Force Awakens clip, along with the one singled out in my vote (no, I was not going to read through the full 20 or however many sources con had).

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@Barney

Thanks fore voting. Yeah, the history bit was a questionable feature, but, I had 3 rounds to fill in what could have been a 2-round debate, and, you know me; I'm going to fill them. Being challenged to a 500 word debate per round would, indeed, be a challenge. I simply don't take them, but it should be a good exercise. Someday. Anyway, good analysis. Thanks.

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@Barney

did you read the description and the sources offered? "Basic visual effects" doesn't mean "no watching at all". Your vote seemed to give the impression you didn't read that we were talking about the best of the best rather than whichever one should be kept.

In my R2, I erroneously referred to Jack Pierce as David Pierce. An error. My apologies. There are three David Pierces with whom I am more familiar than Jack, an actor, a songwriter, and a former CEO of Atari, Inc.

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@Undefeatable

As I replied to your pm two days ago (4/25), no. Your choices, as instigator, are continue, concede, or forfeit. The time to make concessions is. Before the debate is accepted. I do not agree to do-overs. That is child’s play

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@fauxlaw

wanna tie this debate instead? I accidentally forgot to extend debating period and nearly ran out of time. Two days seems too short.

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@Undefeatable

I'll note, coincidentally, that as we begin this debate, you and I are virtually tied in debate rating. I'll admit it was one reason I chose to engage it. Just to add some friendly competition. Good luck, my friend. It is truly a great subject. As you say, deviation.

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@Undefeatable

You're on. Good luck. I look forward to a good debate.

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@Undefeatable

I agree

Shit's pretty 50/50 if your audience is neither deaf nor blind and is seeking to fully immerse.

The visual does have an edge if the audience is NOT trying to fully immerse but if they are, audio matters a lot without a doubt so idk which can even win. I would not want to be on either side of this debate, it's extremely difficult for both.

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@Theweakeredge

Neither of us are movie buffs (AFAIK). Are you willing to go completely out of our comfort zones?