Israel had foreknowledge of and/or helped plan 9/11
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The debate is really intended to center around common evidence we see for Mossad involvement or foreknowledge of the event popularly known as 9/11. Common evidence of this, is the dancing israeli's who seemed to celebrate the falling of the twjn towers, as well as the suspicious israeli art students in the twin towers, prior to the atta knon 9/11.
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This gets off to a bad start, with pro listing several news outlets which all prove to actually be the same disinformation site. Then he gets into a few others, one of them "http://www.fpp.co.uk/" claims to be ABCnews.com,
The central claim seems to be that some guys took pictures posing after an event, therefore they knew the event would happen. Which is a straight forward Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
He does move on to a weird text message (this time with ok sourcing), threatening a couple people on the other side of the planet with a vague terrorist attack.
And finally that Israeli intelligence generally tried to track down terrorists, and shared their information...
Con defends by criticizing the websites. Compares pro's loose use of definitions to claiming the US had fore knowledge due to the very sight of planes during the attack. And finally that since Israel was sharing their information on terrorist movements, it suggests had they had direct clear knowledge of the plans, they would have likewise shared it (intuitively, since 9/11 still happened, they did not).
After pro forfeits, con adds an extra layer to his case regarding pro's BoP failure, as nothing about strange behavior from isolated Israeli's implies greater Israel Israel knowing.
I'd give con sources had he introduced any (such as one showing the regular cooperation in sharing knowledge between the two nations).
And of course the legibility outside the garbage sources was fine all around.
As much as Pro is a full forfeiter, I really don't want to give Con the argument points, because his entire argument is a reductio ad absurdum.
Con did not put effort in giving evidence of what exactly foreknowledge is, nor did he try to disprove the factuality of Pro's evidence. If this was not an FF, Pro would have won using those arguments.
You should have said that easily disprovable stuff in the debate. Instead you dropped arguments.
Yes, they knew about Al-Qaida activity in the USA. However, they did not know that a plane would crash into Twin Towers 9/11 2001 --- lest they would have warned the US in detail. You make an error in calling a "warning about the imminent danger", "foreknowledge about the specifics of that danger". You do realize that Israel had no way of having "foreknowledge" about the attack, as they were not collaborating with Al-Qaida (lest you have evidence to the contrary). Israel has been fighting terrorism as well, and has a lot more experience than the US, and that is why their "warning" was quicker and more accurate than that of the USA, but that doesn't mean that Israel knew about 9/11 before it happened --- it only means they were trying to figure out what was going on.
What about this one where israel admits foreknowledge
"Israel literally warned the U.S. of imminent attacks. It’s true. The biggest reason we know they had foreknowledge is because they quite literally warned the United States government about an impending attack on the twin towers.
Early in August Israel warns the United States
“50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"
Later the same month they send another warning saying the following
“Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta, Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi”
What do you mean? I adressed both of your arguments, if they can be called arguments.
I didnt expect this debate to be this easy. You had 2 weeks to respond, why did you take 5 minutes to respond and only address the decoy arguments and ignore the actual agument?
I don't have the energy to debate formally anymore. I just prefer forums and messaging. On debates, people try to win. I prefer to try to learn.
Than you should have accepted the debate
I don't think Israel did 9/11.