Instigator / Pro
3
1485
rating
91
debates
46.15%
won
Topic
#311

Elective abortion is prima facie immoral

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
9
Better sources
2
6
Better legibility
1
3
Better conduct
0
3

After 3 votes and with 18 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
21
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Description

--Topic--
Resolved: Elective abortion is prime facie immoral.

--Definitions--
Elective Abortion: An abortion done for non-medical reasons

--Rules--
1. No forfeits
2. Citations must be provided in the text of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final speeches
4. Observe good sportsmanship and maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling
6. No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)
7. For all undefined resolutional terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the logical context of the resolution and this debate
8. The BOP is evenly shared
9. Rebuttals of new points raised in an adversary's immediately preceding speech may be permissible at the judges' discretion even in the final round (debaters may debate their appropriateness)
10. Violation of any of these rules, or of any of the description's set-up, merits a loss

--Structure--
R1. Pro's Case; Con's Case
R2. Pro generic Rebuttal; Con generic Rebuttal
R3. Pro generic Rebuttal; Con generic Rebuttal
R4. Pro generic Rebuttal and Summary; Con generic Rebuttal and Summary

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@RationalMadman
@David

I’m going to finish analyzing arguments at some point today - as I think it’s fair to do so for the purpose of improvement.

Unfortunately: the lengthy set of rules make it clear that forfeits merit a loss. If I don’t vote in support of the debate rules here where there is a clear and unambiguous violation, then I have less moral authority to vote against anyone violating their own rules at any other time.

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@Ramshutu
@Raltar

will appreciate a vote.

Other than the FF, so far so good.

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@RationalMadman

Sorry for the ff. I overslept and didn't realize how little time I had. I had my arguments 90% finished

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@David

I am sure you think so. You are arguing what you see as a truism so all points against are irrelevant as you'd think it wasn't a truism otherwise.

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@RationalMadman

Lol.

And wow - your arguments are almost entirely irrelevant to the debate.

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@RationalMadman

I never hope for a forfeit. I want a challenging debate not one that ends in a forfeit. I love the challenge of a good debater like you.

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@David

Your sarcasm slaughters me.

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@RationalMadman

Ok.

Hype for RM's arguments!
Y
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@David

Bumping this debate for hype but just letting you know I'll post in time. Don't hope for a forfeit, I'm just pacing myself and thinking.

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@David

I meant add onto the rareness and absurdity, not on the wrongness of it. I'll correct this in R2.

Ty for the notification though

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@David

Aside from needing to do things IRL until five hours left, I'm curious how one can call anything prima facie immoral. This won't be a Kritik as that's a rule so I'm trying to work out how you can even take into account its species or it becoming a grown human later on if that's not reasoning past prima facie.

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@RationalMadman

You have about 10 hours to post

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@RationalMadman

If you’re argument inherently has some rebuttals attaches I’m perfectly OK with it.

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@David

I am not sure how to do it without it being a rebuttal

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@RationalMadman

Sounds good. Looking forward to the argument. I hope we can finally have a good debate!

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@David

I will also attack the idea that all human entities are part of 'human community' and point out how we wilfully ignore north korea citizens and other elements of our wilful allowance of others to impose upon others what we consider sins or crimes

Idk how to word it all well right now but that will be the angle I am taking.

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@David

Just so you know P2 is going to be the main point on which we disagree as well as another point about suffering being worse than death and the aspect of the pregnant mother not owing life whereas she is owed the alleviation of suffering through the parasite etc.