Instigator / Pro
21
1731
rating
167
debates
73.05%
won
Topic
#3191

Morality is subjective

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
3
Better sources
6
6
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
3
0

After 3 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
15,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
12
1460
rating
4
debates
12.5%
won
Description

Rules to be followed:
1. Forfeiture = loss
2. Insulting = -1 conduct
3. Insisting that I did something I haven't done or that I didn't do something I clearly did = -1 conduct
4. Definitions must have evidence behind it to be considered valid
5. Anything not mentioned in the description is considered to be what is normally considered for it, instead of outright nonexistent
6. Have fun

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@Ryunosuke

I would advise not to write long paragraphs like that all the time, it just gives both me and possibly the voters a headache trying to read it.

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@Sum1hugme

On a side note, even if physics are objective morality still cannot be automatically be proven to be objective, due to that physics are all “is” statements and “is-ought” statements aren’t automatically connected to each other.

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@Intelligence_06

Alright

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@Sum1hugme

Let's talk about this elsewhere. This debate is about morality and not science.

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@Intelligence_06

What are you talking about? Newton's law of gravitational attraction is objective because any person anywhere can use the equation to accurately describe and predict the attraction of gravity. We can calculate mass and distance. Therefore, we can calculate gravitational attraction.

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@Sum1hugme

It is influenced by personal feelings. Newton’s laws are subjective. We just feel like that it is true. In reality, it is all due to that we see the world in a certain way to make Newton’s conclusions seem true, when in reality there is no actual way to prove that it will apply the next time a force is upon an object. We simply cannot prove it.

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@Intelligence_06

In order for something to be objective, It needs to be determinable independently and it's truth value doesn't require any kind of emotion or personal feelings. Newton's laws of gravitational attraction fit every single criteria of objective.

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@Bones

No. The fact that maths and science are advancing every single day means that we cannot know that we truly gathered "objective science" no matter how far we are. We used to consider Newton objectively correct, but now we use his theory in support of someone elses' more exact theories, like ones coming from Einstein.

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@Intelligence_06

Do you think science and mathematics are objective?

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@Bones

Con either accepted knowing this or accepted without the knowledge of this, in either way bringing up this fact would be devastating for him: If he considered enough, he may have left without accepting.

Though, if he accepted this, there is a chance that he has a counter to it.

If one wants to play the sceptic game, they can very easily make the argument that absolutely every fact is subjective.

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@Intelligence_06

Define subjective, because I would say it's objective, insofar as it's intersubjective