Instigator / Pro
27
1449
rating
14
debates
35.71%
won
Topic
#3201

i will lose this debate

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
12
9
Better sources
8
8
Better legibility
4
4
Better conduct
3
4

After 4 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

drlebronski
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
25
1502
rating
40
debates
36.25%
won
Description

Rules:
no forfeits.
no semantics.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro has lost the debate by virtue of breaking the no forfeit rule.
Con has lost the debate for the incorrect argument, the only argument by Con, offered in both rounds, that Con is the instigator and composer of the topic statement when, clearly, the instigator is Pro.
This debate results in the unusual tied loss. No one wins.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

The resolution is a paradox. To lose a debate, you must be proven wrong, but if you lose this debate, you're proven right, which means you should win, which means you're proven wrong and should lose (this repeats forever). Neither side can then conceivably be correct in any meaningful way.

Conduct point to con as pro literally forfeit 50% of the debate and the "no semantics" rule is ridiculous. There's no way to understand what is being debated if we do not have an absolute meaning of the resolution as established by the way the resolution itself is worded. Both sides engage in semantics anyways.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

In order to win the debate both Pro and Con must lose the debate, sort of a double catch 22 situation.

Both violated rules, conduct was good and both presented with minor grammatical oversights.

And In the end, neither overcame the inherent dilemma.

So undoubtedly a tie.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con broke the rule about 'no semantics' meaning Con abusing the term 'I' the way that he did, itself was a violation.

Pro violated the forfeit rule but correctly points out, in Round 2, that this further cements the resolution as true since he is securing his own defeat.