Instigator / Pro
21
1731
rating
167
debates
73.05%
won
Topic
#3208

We have no obligation to follow the law

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
6
Better sources
6
4
Better legibility
3
2
Better conduct
3
0

After 3 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
15,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
12
1706
rating
562
debates
68.06%
won
Description

Assuming that society exists, disobeying the law is with one's own discretion: whether is to be caught by police, or followed by something that inflicts pain.

Do we, however, have any obligation to follow the law? I say no. However, I simply choose to follow the law because I believe I will be inflicted of less pain, which is a good thing for me. If you don't want to be painful, then my suggestion is to not break the law.

Rules:
-Forfeit=loss
-Insulting=-1
-BoP is shared:
----Pro: We have no obligation to follow the law
----Con: We are obligated to follow the law
Intelligence_06 is Pro.

Have fun!

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full forfeit (and sort of a concession)

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

At a glance, pro's own case does seem to be counter to itself. But as the previous voter pointed out, con failed to leverage that within the allotted time.

Note: Piggy back votes are not normally allowed. This being a full forfeiture, with the vote ultimately still being in favor of the non-absentee, makes it non-moderated.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

By rule, Con loses by forfeit of round 1.
However, it is not a clean win [but a win, nonetheless] for Pro, who, by definitions in round 1, defined "law" as "a binding custom or practice," and "obligation" as "Something one is bound to do," and has, therefore, violated the Topic "we have no obligation to follow the law." Seems Pro completely reversed the Topic by definition, admitting that law is binding, after all. Too bad Con did not take five minutes or less out of an allowed two week deadline for argument presentation to observe this reversal, and the rebuttal would have left virtually no room for defense, and Con would have won the debate on that point, alone. But for the rule, which I will honor, I'd have given the win to Con had he mentioned the Pro reversal. Pro: be more careful, this was a sloppy error, and you're better than that.