Instigator / Pro
Points: 12

Luigi is better than Mario

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After 2 votes the winner is ...
Jboy3r
Debate details
Publication date
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Category
Games
Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
30,000
Required rating
1
Contender / Con
Points: 10
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Round 1
Published:
A. First off Luigi can jump higher than Mario. In the Mario frachise high jumps are important because if you can’t jump high you will fall down a pit plus Luigi has more emotion than Mario. Mario is a jerk watch this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2oBMIHd2H44 00:10-00:38.
Published:
This argument is really short because I have a lot of debates going on a the moment.

If Luigi is truly better than Mario, why is Mario the main character for 99% of the Nintendo games (Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart, Mario Party)? And Luigi was originally just a palette swap of Mario (https://goo.gl/images/aCJ1od). Doesn’t that make Mario the superior to Luigi? And the only reason Luigi can jump higher is because he is malnourished. Mario actually eats food and is not skinny like Luigi. Also sometimes high jumps are bad because there might be a flying Goomba. Mario can’t jump high enough to get killed by the Goomba but Luigi can. As for the video, Pro has handpicked one moment in the entire Nintendo series that shows Mario being a jerk to Luigi. He uses this as proof that Luigi is better than Mario. This actually shows that Mario is better than Luigi because he has the guts to do that. Mario is a savage.

Also the reason Luigi has a L on his hat is because he took the L from Mario.


Round 2
Published:
Con said  Mario was tha antiganus Mario Kart and Mario Party but there is no protagonist in this game because all Mario caricters.and yes Luigi was just a plalit swap of Mario he sence has became a carcter with hopes dreams and fears and Luigi is not malnutrsted because on game theory he is proven to be overweight. 
Luigi May be treated poorly but he has saved Mario a lot of times. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nKBnAKpVd74. Also he doesn’t treat Mario like a jerk because he is a nice person. And con stated that Mario is the protagonist in 99% of mario games but that is just not true Luigi is a protagonist in a lot of spin offs and Luigi's L on his head stands for legend.

luigi is rad Mario is sad because he is not rad

Published:
Con says that Luigi has become a real character with personality since then but still the reason he became that character is because of the palette swap in Super Mario Bros 85. Con then says that since MatPat said that Luigi is overweight that is true. But remember that MatPat always says “But that’s just a theory, a game theory.” So it isn’t always right. Con also shows us a video of Mario being rescued from 1992-2017 which is over 25 years but there is also a video of Luigi being rescued from 1997-2018 and it is 30 minutes long (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s2iHCq6Rrvs) over a 21 year period. This means that Luigi gets captured a lot.

Luigi treats Mario like a nice person because he is soft and doesn’t have guts. Also sometimes spinoffs aren’t always produced by Nintendo so it doesn’t count.

M is for Monster and L is for Loser.
Round 3
Published:
The reson it is longer is because Luigi is harder to rescue and a lot of the times he was rescued by yoshi, princesses peach and himself.( in super Mario galaxy 2 you can play as Luigi and for the rescue missions for Luigi.) con said spin offs aren’t produced by Nintendo but, due to copyright laws this is just not true. Also con said 
Luigi dose not have guts but in super smash bros Luigi LITTRLY USES HIS HATRED FOR MARIO AS AN ATTACK THAT MAKES PEOPLE TRIP OVER NOTHING AND GO TO SLEEP SO LUIGI CAN SEND THEM INTO ORBIT. Plus one of Luigi’s attacks is that he JENTLY KICKS AND SENDS A PERSON INTO ORBIT INSTANTLY. What can Mario do he can send a easy doage projectile of fire and his wepin is a squirt-gun jet pack when LUIGI HAS A VACUUM THAT KILLS WHAT IS AREDY KILLED. Luigi does not hold back to hurting Mario in a lot of games like Mario party Mario tennis aces and Mario kart. Con sad Mario is a monster and Luigi is a loser but Luigi can win by doing nothing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IyYNI28gM , https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz6CU53kK54,https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a67fOARZmhg ,https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NRx6WyFzhxU and https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fVeBXXifdg and Mario 85 is a game it is not a game. And Luigi had his own year Mario has not had his own year 


    M stands for mad L stands for lovable 
Forfeited
Round 4
Published:
I waver this round because I want nmvarco to be able to reputle to my arguments.
Published:
I have no idea why i accepted this debate because i have 0 knowledge of nintendo

Pro says that the video is longer because it takes longer for Luigi to be rescued. Well, that means that he has gotten farther into the trap and is dumb. And even though he might be rescued by yoshi or princess peach, he is still getting trapped in the first place. Spin-offs aren’t the main games only the really popular ones are.

Luigi can only use his attack when he hates Mario but Mario can use his attacks all the time. And why would you need a vacuum to kill what has already been killed? It’s already dead. Con says that luigi is better because he can win by doing nothing but that is just pure coincedence. It doesnt take skill. And besides luigi is controlled by the player. It matters how fast or slow they push buttons.

M is for Magnificent L is for Lame-O.

Round 5
Published:
Con stated that Luigi Can’t use the negitve zone at will but he can stated in the assist trophy and to answer cons question they are poltergeists they are alive but not it’s weird. Also Luigi is higher on a tier list in smash bros ( google it ) and in Mario party https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69LvHQym8vU and Luigi is rich Luigi lives in a HUGE mega mansion ( not the haunted one at the end of Luigi’s mansion he buys a new one ) so he is the bill gates of the Mario universe. And half of the video of Luigi getting rescued is one rescued and the traps are more elaborate then Mario’s. Plus con said that spin offs are not fun but almost everyone I know loves the spin offs and they are very popular among the community. Luigi had a doctor Mario remake called doctor Luigi and it featured a mode called L mode it was very popular so the year of Luigi did not have bad effects and to end what the L on Luigi’s hat means in super Mario Odyssey when you get the Luigi costume it says that the L stands for “winner”



Published:
Pro says that I said that Luigi can't use the negative zone, but I never said that. Then Pro says that Luigi needs the vacuum to kill the poltergeists but then says "they're not alive but they are but it's weird," which makes absolutely no sense. Actually, Mario in in the B section of the tier list while Luigi is in the C section for Super Smash Bros. Luigi's mansion does not look good and is falling apart in the game which shows you that Luigi does not have enough money to fix it up. If the traps are more elaborate that means that Luigi has gotten farther into the trap. Pro says that Luigi has his own year but he gives no proof for that. And also by Super MArio Bros 85, I mean Super Mario Bros made in 1985 for disambiguation.

Added:
The votes are in- Luigi number one!
#17
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--> @nmvarco
4:44-end it is Luigi’s mason https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w-cKoqIkJng
Instigator
#16
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Luigi is the best
Instigator
#15
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I know I looked it up too
Instigator
#14
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--> @Jboy3r
You said the Super Smash Bros. Tier List so I found it.
Contender
#13
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--> @Raltar
Ok shure
Instigator
#12
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--> @nmvarco, @Jboy3r
This was a super tough debate to vote on. I had to delete my vote and repost it like four times before I felt like it was good enough.
Either one of you up for that SEGA debate?
#11
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--> @nmvarco
How long did it take you to hand pick that tier list most of the tier lists had Luigi higher than Mario.
Instigator
#10
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Hello
Instigator
#9
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--> @nmvarco
It is ok I will waver this round so it is ok
Instigator
#8
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--> @Jboy3r
I apologize for the forfeiture. I forgot the time limit.
Contender
#7
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--> @nmvarco
Respond to debate
Instigator
#6
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I have challenged Jboy3r to a debate on Sega and am waiting to see if he will accept. https://www.debateart.com/debates/331
#5
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Ok then
Instigator
#4
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It is a good company it is not bad. I like some games they made
Instigator
#3
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
This debate is tough to follow, because both participants have a habit of lumping a large number of small arguments into a single convoluted paragraph. Also, Pro's grammar, spelling and general sentence structure were massively baffling. As such, I think it is fair to award the S&G category to Con right off the bat. As for arguments, I'll do my best to follow them...
Pro attacks the emotional differences between Mario and Luigi, specifically that Mario is a "jerk." Con seems to concede that at least one example of this accusation is valid, but argues that Mario's actions are justified and that having the "guts" to act that way actually makes Mario better. This rebuttal only makes sense if being a "jerk" actually makes someone a better person, which seems like a poor argument. I have to give this one to Pro.
Pro claims Luigi jumps higher than Mario. Again, Con seems to concede that this is true but counters that jumping higher is actually a disadvantage due to the possibility of encountering an enemy in the air. From what I recall of the 2D Mario side-scrollers, characters tended to have a lot of "air control" that allowed them to control both the direction of travel while jumping as well as the height/length of their jump. That being the case, I can't see a reason why less jump height would improve chances to evade enemies in the air. Another point for Pro.
Con argues that Mario is the protagonist for "99%" of Nintendo games. Pro's (badly spelled) rebuttal was that Luigi was also a protagonist for several of the games he appeared in, as well as having several spin-offs dedicated to himself specifically. Con came back to say that some of the spin-offs weren't made by Nintendo, so they supposedly don't count. Con pointed out that even if Nintendo didn't develop the game in-house, they still own the copyright on the franchise, so it doesn't matter who made the game. Pro seems to effectively negate this point.
Con argues that Luigi started as just a different colored version of Mario in the early 2D games. Pro rebuts that Luigi has developed into a full character since then. Given that the plot and backstory of the games has obviously developed greatly since the original 2D games, Pro seems to have a valid point to negate Con's argument.
Both sides claim their champion has saved the other on previous occasions and both sides provide sources to verify this fact. These competing claims seem to negate each other.
Pro claimed that Luigi had his own year. Con rebutted that Pro provides no source to support this claim and since I'm not aware of any such event, I have to agree that Pro should have provided a source. Point negated.
In the last few rounds, things get pretty confused talking about the powers that Luigi may posses in various games, and I'm not familiar with all of this as I stopped playing video games about 10 years ago. Pro at one point makes a confusing statement about a vacuum that kills things which are already dead. Con, in pointing out this apparent contradiction, actually helps clarify that the vacuum is used to defeat poltergeists, which appears to be a concession that Luigi does indeed posses such a power. Con also admits that he has "0 knowledge" of Mario games, which doesn't really help his overall position in the debate.
In the final round, several new arguments came up about the position of the characters in the tier list and Luigi's mansion. Since introducing new arguments in the final round is usually considered poor form in a debate and there was limited opportunity to make rebuttals of these points, I didn't consider these.
Overall, Pro made more effective arguments (Mario being a jerk, Luigi jumping higher, and ghost-killing vacuums) while Con mostly seemed to be looking for excuses as to why some of Mario's shortcomings were either irrelevant or actually advantages. Arguments to Pro.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Ugh! Conduct awarded for the forfeit.
Spelling and grammar for such gems as “Con said Mario was tha antiganus Mario Kart and Mario Party but there is no protagonist in this game because all Mario caricters.and yes Luigi was just a plalit swap of Mario he sence has became a carcter with hopes dreams and fears and Luigi is not malnutrsted because on game theory he is proven to be overweight.” Frequent grammatical errors like this, made pros argument difficult to read and harder to understand. Con didn’t have this issue.
Arguments.
Pros arguments revolves around Luigi not being mean, jumping higher, having better attack moves in one game. Cons argument is that Mario is the main character, Luigi got himself in more trouble. There were more, but I felt the arguments on both side were hard to follow and unconvincing. As a result, I can’t award argument points to either side.