Instigator / Pro
16
1484
rating
2
debates
25.0%
won
Topic
#326

Leftist Hate The Constitution

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
18
Better sources
8
12
Better legibility
4
5
Better conduct
1
6

After 6 votes and with 25 points ahead, the winner is...

McSloth
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
41
1518
rating
3
debates
66.67%
won
Description

Obviously the constitution has many amendments, so I would like to focus on the 1st and 2nd amendments. Firstly on why Leftist hate the first amendment. Leftist seem to hate the fact that other Americans can have different views than them, and constantly try to shut down the opposition. For example, a recent event occurred where 20 Antifa members held a protest outside of Republican TV reporter Tucker Carlson's house. They said remarks such as "we know where you sleep at night" and broke his front door. They did this as a protest against his Republican views (which they constantly refer to as "hate speech") and believe this was the correct way to try and oppress opposing views. This was a sad attempt of Leftist trying to play the victim as usual, but it turns out this time they were the criminals. Leftist will not tolerate the so called bigoted Republican view, but will impose violence as a way to make the other side concur with them, fascism at it's finest. Secondly, why Leftist hate the 2nd Amendment. Leftist want guns to be banned in America but have never even held a gun. They think as if guns are only used for sport and for self defense, but they're missing the biggest point of the 2nd amendment. The main purpose that Americans are allowed to bear arms is in case of government tyranny against the citizens, in which case the citizens will be able to have a fighting chance against the government unlike WW2 Nazi Germany and many other cases. Overall, Leftist have poor education on the constitution and insist that the only way America can reach greatness is to change the constitution which allowed America to become the greatest country of all time.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full Forfeit

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro makes a (honestly) very poor argument generalizing Antifa's radical actions as those of the Left, then generalizes that Leftists want to ban all guns, and then insults them by calling them uneducated, all without source. Pro rebuttals Pro's generalizations by pointing out just what they are: generalizations. Con then FF's the debate. :(

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con had an argument and had better conduct.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

"All people on the left don't hate the Constitution. This is the problem with making a particular side a monolith. We all fall on a spectrum and saying everyone on one side agrees on something is ridiculous. "

- Con R1 (identifies as male on profile for now)

Con's funny wording causes confusion here and could have turned his semantic play brutally back onto himself, had Pro been here and been proficient at debating. Con meant to say 'not all on the left hate' as opposed to 'all on the left don't hate'. This was an extreme, extreme flaw because it directly contradicted the entire remainder of the R1 and is not a joke of a grammar mistake to make.

I don't understand how forfeiting every Round is bad conduct. It gives the opponent the easiest path to victory possible and thus is severely kind to them.

Con wins arguments because Con states a simple idea; the "Leftists" don't, as a whole, hate the Constitution, as a whole. It was a combined 'reduction-Kritik' whereby Con made his burden fo proof infinitesimally small but not negative (not actually proving anything or needing to).

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full forefeit

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro forfeit the entire debate.

I also tried to warn him in the comments that his opponent was going to make the exact argument that he made...