Minecraft is better than any other sandbox game
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Roblox has one client to play on.... Roblox. No customization, no ability for additional features, and moderately optimized.
To put this into perspective for you, Roblox is so insanely vast and flexible in what you can do that when Squid Game came out, gamers were playing the Roblox version(s) that either had the balls to risk being taken down for copyright and called 'squid game' or which went for names like 'hexa game' (and since Crab Game came out on steam, Roblox has made free alternatives).Minecraft is corrupt, only the children of the well-off can afford a game like that. What parent is gonna pay $30 for their little children to play just one type of game that they may dislike? It's a much more healthy pay model for children to let them try it out for free with their parents and then decide if they wish to pay for Robux and spend on things in the game.
Roblox has one client to play on.... Roblox. No customization, no ability for additional features, and moderately optimized.
A game client is a network client that connects an individual user to the main game server, used mainly in multiplayer video games. - Wikipedia
It's a brilliant game also because, unlike minecraft, if you're lazy and don't feel like building, you can just be a player and explore other people's imagination and brilliance in a really healthy ecosystem where both as a player and creator, you contribute to ensuring the best games in it stay alive and reward the creator.
hypixel.net, cubecraft.com, lunar.gg, minemen.club.
I also think you'll find that Roblox has not only been around longer, it's just the OG sandbox game of this era. Sure, minecraft has found its niche and dominated the market and aimed at popular streamers but Roblox is so good it doesn't even have to sponsor streamers, to my knowledge.
- Less Ability for User Creation
Minecraft has basically one client, just like Roblox.
rather than have multiple 'pay to unlock' server types in 'packs' that you need to pay for.
https://www.roblox.com/create which is the client for Roblox that helps creators (though you are indeed able to 'create' inside of your own game server, via editing tools, the 'create' client is very helpful for collaboration efforts where only the owner/admin is granted full access to editing on the main client).
In fact, this is what makes Roblox so incredible, you have collaborative efforts to create. The epitome of sandbox gaming is probably where the most range (agreeing with pro) of both types of creator and player can create the biggest range of games themselves inside of the sandbox environment. In Roblox, whether you're a coding expert (or only good at coding a certain thing/genre of gaming), a costume and graphics designer, a rich person with a dream of a game or an expert marketer (of course even a musician as it's not always easy to get good copyright-free music that you can use on a game where you will be gaining in-game income from its success), you can contribute to the beautiful gaming ecosystem there and make it great.
In minecraft, you need to not only pay for extra packages to unlock your 'full creativity' but the most important issue with it is that the only thing you can create is a place that's 'designed' or which is 'digging oriented'. You don't make actual interactive, creative games much inside of minecraft, you just make worlds to explore with your buddies that at times have a bit of interactive digging and TNT blocks to light a fuse and 'explode' to unlock more inside a world. In Roblox this 'exploration genre' is only one of many.
Here is a minecraft block and character:This is almost comedic... except that's what Pro is defending as the epitome of sandbox gaming.
this is of course photo-edited to fuse them all together but all of these characters 100% are able to function interactively inside Roblox:Not just that, let's look at terrain:Again, let's look at minecraft terrain:Do you see that extra realism in Roblox?
More importantly, the economy of in-game currency in Roblox is designed to reward better game creators via genuine purchases made by the players. It even lets game creators and players both themselves financially benefit (so earning back part of what they invested if they paid) by enabling creators to put videos in the page of their games (encouraging views and advertisers) as well as of course the streamers streaming high quality games.
Sure, Minecraft has found its niche and dominated the market and aimed at popular streamers but Roblox is so good it doesn't even have to sponsor streamers, to my knowledge.
Pewdiepie and Jacksepticeye on squid game roblox game:
The 2nd statement is idiotic. I have countered this argument already, and I quote:Syllogism:1. Streamer plays Minecraft2. Streamers viewers get interested3. More people play Minecraft4. More people play Minecraft and Stream.1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1
I'll just award arguments here. Any new arguments brought up in the final round are not counted.
Rather than going through each individual point, I'm just going to focus on the resolution, which unfortunately feels like it takes a backseat throughout much of this debate. Initially, I thought it was rather obvious that this would be a debate about whether either Minecraft or Roblox are the better sandbox game, but it seems as though much of this debate focuses on elements that have nothing to do with their sandbox nature, which makes me think that the topic should have been changed to accommodate the type of argument that Pro is making (particularly the accessibility point).
In any case, I'll evaluate the debate that was argued and not what I feel that the definitions implied.
I think Pro gets lost in the weeds here, aiming to respond to Con's points without building his own offense. He starts with a few decent points, but all of them are complicated by the end of the debate and, more importantly, I'm not given an objective measure that tells me why any of these are among the most important factors when it comes to evaluating these games. By contrast, Pro spends more time laying out a case for why people care about the issues he presents. They might not be as stark as he claims, but they don't have to be, and much of Con's responses to Pro's points come off as mitigation rather than effective counters or turns. I think customizability is the point that's coming through clearest from Con's side, and while there's a lot to love about the customizability of Minecraft, I think what's missing is a statement about why those distinct customizable aspects are more valued than the ones Con presents. Con just gives me more to weigh in the debate, and while I would have liked to see more about why those things are valued by sandbox players in general, he still does more than Pro and that gives him the win in my book.
In R3 pro looses a conduct point. I also do not flow new arguments in final speeches, so the only offensive ground that minecraft is a 1 time purchase, it is customizable, and "driven by your desires." Also I honestly feel like the second two are the same position, so winning both of these would still only give access to one impact.
Con turns the second two advantages listed by Pro by showing roblox is more customizable. Con is still winning on this in R2 with the points on creators, and then Pros R3 can clearly not respond to the previous points on this issue. "While Minecraft doesn't have built in mod creator, you are able to take the communities mods and use them for your own creations." This is basically a concession on this because it is admitting that it is easier to mod on roblox.
Pros first argument was about minecraft being a 1 time purchase. Con's point on a free model being less corrupt are good in R1. Con's point on the free model is in a qoute in R2 from pro, but no actual response is given to this point. This means Pro drops the only offensive ground left, and bringing up offense in the last round is unfair, so I will not count new points.
This means because Pro has no offensive ground, and because Con turned the customization point, Con wins on arguments.
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@RM
Just by glancing at it, I think it's obvious that u won on conduct, and I believe u also won on arguments
@RM
Just by glancing at it, I think it's obvious that u won on conduct, and I believe u also won on arguments
I’ll try to get to this.
This would be a hard debate to vote on. I'm not eligible anyway.
pls vote if you care to.
2 days left to vote on this if you care to.
Please consider voting, I don’t want to tie for a topic I believe I thoroughly won.
My thought process was that I was asking whether PoliticalDebater was you, or if he was some random.
Your question is angled so that either I was political debater or I was 'some random'. If your question is if I have alt accounts that use this website, the answer is no. So, PD isn't me.
About the insults... those misconceptions about Minecraft really ticked me off. Sorry for that.
Question, were you PoliticalDebater or some random?
if I wanted to fight fair, I would take unrated ;)
Na, I do believe in fighting with honour but in terms of twisting things in my favour, I'm gonna do that. It's how to competitively debate.
I'm going to message you on this
Seriously? Minecraft? the gameplay is trash and don't get me started on the graphics, number 1 is gameplay, wooden pickaxes mine stone and coal but can't mine iron??? this has no amount of realism? and oh let me mention no physics.
Yes, totally fair comparison. One block vs Megabuild
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/roblox/images/d/d9/Terrain.jpg
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/minecraft/images/8/81/Dirt_server.png
Appreciate the thought
Might level a vote on this IF, I have time
Freedom is very important to Sandbox games but I will refrain from debating in the comments section other than to say that.
IDK if freedom is the best thing. I mean, for Conway's game of life, it is so vague that you can't even tell what is happening on screen.
I generally find Genshin Impact more enjoyable than MC and find MC a little on the too libertarian side. Mostly you will just play one or a few modes unless you the developer.
Roblox is better. I have played both and it is easier to get into roblox and seems to be as complex or a simple as you want. I haven't played much, but my 6 year old loves roblox. I say the one advantage of mine craft, is that it is a bit easier to play on Linux, which I appreciate
Huh. Oh well, he accepted anyway.
Well actually I have hardly played RDR2, and Minecraft is closer to my heart. But I can't deny that the former is objectively a better quality open-world game.
Decide among yourselves who's the most loyal to their game.
Change it to "open-worlded games" and I will argue that Red Dead Redemption 2 is better.
Sure! That was what I was expecting, so not surprised! Accept it when you can!
Core would be another good option for consideration (basically Roblox in the Fortnite graphics engine).
I'll rep Roblox. I also unironically agree with that Roblox is better.