Instigator / Pro
7
1518
rating
15
debates
40.0%
won
Topic
#3293

Minecraft is better than any other sandbox game

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Tags
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1706
rating
563
debates
68.12%
won
Description

RULE: You must state your game before you accept the debate.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I'll just award arguments here. Any new arguments brought up in the final round are not counted.

Rather than going through each individual point, I'm just going to focus on the resolution, which unfortunately feels like it takes a backseat throughout much of this debate. Initially, I thought it was rather obvious that this would be a debate about whether either Minecraft or Roblox are the better sandbox game, but it seems as though much of this debate focuses on elements that have nothing to do with their sandbox nature, which makes me think that the topic should have been changed to accommodate the type of argument that Pro is making (particularly the accessibility point).

In any case, I'll evaluate the debate that was argued and not what I feel that the definitions implied.

I think Pro gets lost in the weeds here, aiming to respond to Con's points without building his own offense. He starts with a few decent points, but all of them are complicated by the end of the debate and, more importantly, I'm not given an objective measure that tells me why any of these are among the most important factors when it comes to evaluating these games. By contrast, Pro spends more time laying out a case for why people care about the issues he presents. They might not be as stark as he claims, but they don't have to be, and much of Con's responses to Pro's points come off as mitigation rather than effective counters or turns. I think customizability is the point that's coming through clearest from Con's side, and while there's a lot to love about the customizability of Minecraft, I think what's missing is a statement about why those distinct customizable aspects are more valued than the ones Con presents. Con just gives me more to weigh in the debate, and while I would have liked to see more about why those things are valued by sandbox players in general, he still does more than Pro and that gives him the win in my book.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

In R3 pro looses a conduct point. I also do not flow new arguments in final speeches, so the only offensive ground that minecraft is a 1 time purchase, it is customizable, and "driven by your desires." Also I honestly feel like the second two are the same position, so winning both of these would still only give access to one impact.

Con turns the second two advantages listed by Pro by showing roblox is more customizable. Con is still winning on this in R2 with the points on creators, and then Pros R3 can clearly not respond to the previous points on this issue. "While Minecraft doesn't have built in mod creator, you are able to take the communities mods and use them for your own creations." This is basically a concession on this because it is admitting that it is easier to mod on roblox.

Pros first argument was about minecraft being a 1 time purchase. Con's point on a free model being less corrupt are good in R1. Con's point on the free model is in a qoute in R2 from pro, but no actual response is given to this point. This means Pro drops the only offensive ground left, and bringing up offense in the last round is unfair, so I will not count new points.

This means because Pro has no offensive ground, and because Con turned the customization point, Con wins on arguments.