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A Resource Based Economy is the system adopted by all civilisations

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Humans, as I see it, are not fully civilised. We are a type zero civilisation, this implies that we have not learned to use or manage the resources of our planet fully or even wisely and thus all of our currently active socioeconomic systems are primitive and inherently flawed.
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A RBE is a system which is characterized by a lack of social constructs such as the monetary system, and the lack of government. It instead relies on systems theory and scientific methodology to deduce the logical course of action, and how resources should be used and distributed. That being said, it is the system most compatible with civilisations which are scientifically advanced, because it lacks the subjectivity and the incoherence with physical reality that more traditional socio-economic systems have. To put it simply, you do not have time to worry about how many conceptual resource points (money) it will cost when you are trying to build a Dyson Sphere using materials from ten different planets, it would be much more practical to view it as an entirely real-world undertaking and only focus on the actual physical resources and how they need to be used. If you include a monetary system into the equation you will only complicate things and get in the way of arriving at economic decisions based on tangible resources and how they can be used to advance the civilisation.
RBE blends elements of Marxism with Technocracy and thus the most accurate way to classify an RBE would be under the umbrella of Socialism. So continuing with the Dyson Sphere example, the majority population of a civ could live on a Dyson sphere, so having a privately owned and funded Dyson Sphere would be the equivalent of the earth being privately owned, do you really think the earth should be owned by some giant space-corporation? It would be much better to view the construction and maintenance of a Dyson sphere as a type of social program, which an entire civilisation could work for and benefit from.
The more intelligent a population is, the less subject to domestication and authority they are, and the less likely they are to believe in or care about things that are made up. Try convincing an alien with superhuman intelligence that you "own" something because you exchanged it for conceptual social construct points. Luckily,  they would not need things such as laws however, because they would have the level of reason necessary to understand that peaceful and mutual interactions are the most productive, and thus in their own best interest. Therefor through sheer reason and education a civilisation's inhabitants would prefer to work with others and share resources in order to produce a situation of maximum productivity and abundance rather than trying to fuck each other over like us primitive, disgusting, foolish ape creatures.
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The RBE is not 'resource' based, nor is it an 'economy'. To best understand it, I introduce you to the life of its founder, Jacque Fresco. At the age of 5, he developed a fantasy and obsession with being God, believing he had the ability and authority to control people like puppets. As a teenager, he began his long involvement with Satanic cults, who eventually kicked him out. As a young adult, he joined the military. But he was deemed a serious threat to everyone around him, banned from having a gun, and locked up in a room for many years where he did nothing but draw weapons of mass destruction and mass murder. While in the military, he sold model kits with toxic glue that killed 3,000 children. He continued to sell models with toxic glue and knowingly kill children until he was kicked out of the military over it. He then moved on to his RBE scam. He copied his model designs from the movie 'Logan's Run'. He joined the KKK, and got kicked out of there too after trying to take over. He then joined the Technocracy cult where he copied the idea of building a giant super computer to rule over mankind, with a secret team of 'engineers' who program the computer and control it from behind the curtains. He was eventually kicked out of the Technocracy cult as well. He then sold his scam to many people, ripped them off, built nothing and had them build him a home in Venus, Florida, which he called 'The Venus Project'. As his ignorant followers began to ask questions, they revealed many holes in his RBE and a great hidden evil behind it. He lost all his followers and disappeared with all the money he stole. He became popular again after Eric and Peter Merola's 'Zeitgeist' movement. Peter and Eric area Muslim sympathisers, were repeatedly investigated for terrorism and fraud, and were repeatedly caught for fraud. Eric's wife was banned from the USA. Their Zeitgeist scam was an attempt to make money to pay for their fraud charges and make a profit on top. The merging of the Merola's and Fresco didn't last, as their greed consumed them. I was the one who took them down after infiltrating them from within. It's part of what I do to protect the world, as the founder of Anonymous. Since they were taken down, other con artists advertise the RBE scam in hope of being one of the 'engineers' that secretly rule the world. They won't lift a finger to try out their RBE for themselves, but that doesn't stop them from asking for donations.

So what is the RBE? You must first understand that your version and interpretation of the RBE, is not the RBE. The RBE is a highly specific government system developed by Jacque Fresco. According to Jacque Fresco, only he had the capability of ruling it. It was his plan to gain eternal life, rule the world for 1,000 years worshipped as God, and then commit ritual suicide. The RBE has nothing to do with resources or economies. It is a world domination conspiracy. It promises everything, but can't prove anything and you have to give the owners of the RBE everything you have, and 100% control over 100% of all the world's resources. It's a magic pill of lethal poison, you have to take the pill out of faith in a one way trip. The RBE is based off the 'Tabula Rasa' myth, that human nature doesn't exist and all human behaviour is the product of their environment. Having been proven false time and time again, Fresco changed his RBE to admit human nature exists, but to downplay it as a major influence and developed a way to compensate for it. In the RBE, humans are artificially made. There is no more sex. There are no more sports or competition of any kind. There is no more evolution. Everyone is the same in a communist utopia. Mankind is made in jars, and made from Transhumanist clones. All human expression is outlawed in the RBE. According to the RBE, love is a mental illness. The RBE solution to love, is to cut out pieces of your brain. If you continue to go against the narrative of the RBE, or even so much as question it, you are 'euthanised' for your own good and to protect everyone else. A very familiar scene copied from the movie 'Logan's Run'. According to Fresco, the RBE requires 100% control of everyone and everything to work, and you just have to trust it. It can't be tested. While claiming to be science, there isn't a shred of science behind it. Just outdated, silly fantasy drawings from the 1970's. Jacque Fresco patented many things, most of which are other people's ideas while the rest are complete nonsense to pretend he has some kind of scientific credibility. He never produced a single working model of anything. All he has are drawings and silly 1970's Sim City models.

No historical civilisation has ever adopted the RBE. By definition, it is a one way trip you cannot go back from. Those who have attempted to install aspects of the RBE, such as Communism, have caused the greatest of all human death and suffering. As for extraterrestrial civilisations, if they adopted the RBE then you wouldn't be here right now. All of the world's resources would have already been taken by them. I know how extraterrestrial civilisations operate from personal experience, and below I offer proof, with knowledge of astronomical phenomenon before the world's scientists and astronomers, rewriting 50 years of textbooks. The way extraterrestrial civilisations work is too much to explain here, but I will give a brief introduction, according to our Galaxy at least. There is a heavy focus on being independent. Parasitic relationships are outlawed. There is a governing authority that has maintained galactic peace for over a billion of our years. There are still problems, but there is a system in place to deal with them. Perpetrators are progressively trade blocked and quarantined on all sides with increasing force. Everyone is allowed to do almost anything they want, so long as they don't interfere with others. Life preserving technology is only allowed to a certain degree. Some technology is outlawed. The rest is available to anyone who gets their hands on it, there is no patent system. The only resource of significant value is evolution, which the RBE destroys. On a galactic scale, the RBE requires a giant super computer that controls the entire galaxy and all its resources. So where are these aliens taking our resources and forcing their RBE on us? Where is your evidence of this RBE?


At the end of the day, the burden of proof falls on you to provide evidence to your claim that 'A Resource Based Economy is the system adopted by all civilisations'. There is no 'A' Resource Based Economy. There is only 'THE' Resource Based Economy as defined by its creator, Jacque Fresco. If you want to take what he made and turn it into something that works like many of his followers have attempted, then by all means try but don't call it a Resource Based Economy, especially when it has nothing to do with resources or economies. Technically, you could say that all economies since the beginning of human civilisation are resourced based. But they aren't remotely like this thing you call in capital letters, the trademarked 'Resource Based Economy'. Your RBE is not based on resources or economies, it's based on a deceptive conspiracy to take over the world.

An RBE model compared to Logans Run (there are many more, some 100% identical and there was a court case over it). Realise that these are just silly 1970's fantasy drawings that have no basis in science whatsoever: https://imgur.com/a/rX7uXqy

As the founder of Anonymous, I am responsible for taking down your United Nations backed RBE and its conspirators. but I didn't act alone. Here are some remaining videos that have yet to be censored from the RBE campaign of shutting up anyone who exposes their scam, by making death threats and false DMCA complaints.


The Humanity Party, a group of Jacque Fresco's RBE followers who attempted to take over Anonymous: (I was going to provide a link but it appears they have deleted all their old videos. You can look them up for their new version of the RBE scam)

True colours of the RBE behind closed doors, preying on ignorance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hF7lZE6Ei8

My refutation of their RBE scam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mINI4Ytj4w

You claim that the more intelligent people are, the less likely they are to believe in made up things. Remind me again how many dogs believe in Santa Claus, how many horses believe in Xenu, and how many pigs believe they can fly? The more intelligent people are, the more capacity they have to believe made up things. The greater the cost of it all going wrong.

Here you are, openly admitting that you are promoting Marxism, the cause of the greatest evils in the world. If you want to claim to have found a way to make it work, then by all means provide evidence. Don't provide a magic pill made of known poison that we must have blind faith in and take under force for our own good.

Education you say? I'm all too familiar with 'education' in the RBE, or 're-education camps' as they call it. Brainwashing facilities where the victims are tortured and have pieces of their brain removed until they 'comply'. Communist Gulags ring a bell? The RBE is based on extreme ignorance and a malign conspiracy to take over and enslave the world. It is rooted in Satanic Luficerianism, a deep hatred of mankind and a conspiracy to vandalise, humiliate, shit on and eventually destroy every trace of humanity.

Show me a single working example of anything that exclusively comes from the RBE, and how it is proven to benefit mankind in any way. If you cannot, then you have absolutely zero evidence to support your claim and you lose this debate by default.
Round 2
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Wait a minute, you're that crackpot from DI. I can tell you are a troll at this point, the founder of anonymous, seriously? You have a troll youtube channel where you make fake anonymous videos and pretend to be a prophet as well. I probably shouldn't even bother replying but here goes nothing.

The RBE is not 'resource' based, nor is it an 'economy'.
It is an economic system based on real resources rather than social constructs.

At the age of 5, he developed a fantasy and obsession with being God, believing he had the ability and authority to control people like puppets.
Citation needed.

As a teenager, he began his long involvement with Satanic cults, who eventually kicked him out. As a young adult
Citation needed.

he joined the military. But he was deemed a serious threat to everyone around him, banned from having a gun, and locked up in a room for many years where he did nothing but draw weapons of mass destruction and mass murder.
Cut the ass hat shinanegans buddy. Jacque was designing wing frames for aircraft and the like, he was never a soldier in the military or banned from having a gun. He was never shut up in a room drawing weapons, you literally just made that up.

While in the military, he sold model kits with toxic glue that killed 3,000 children. He continued to sell models with toxic glue and knowingly kill children until he was kicked out of the military over it.
You are already contradicting yourself you piece of shit troll.  Was he shut up in a room or was he a glue salesman? And who the fuck sells models to children in the military? I know Jacque very well and I've never heard any of this shit.

He copied his model designs from the movie 'Logan's Run'. 
No he didn't you cantankerous wanker biscuit.

e joined the KKK, and got kicked out of there too after trying to take over.
He infiltrated the KKK, pretending to sympathize with their views, and then proceeded to try to change their perspective.


He then joined the Technocracy cult where he copied the idea of building a giant super computer to rule over mankind, with a secret team of 'engineers' who program the computer and control it from behind the curtains.
Your understanding of Technocracy is ignoramically minimalistic.

He then sold his scam to many people, ripped them off, built nothing and had them build him a home in Venus, Florida, which he called 'The Venus Project'. As his ignorant followers began to ask questions, they revealed many holes in his RBE and a great hidden evil behind it. He lost all his followers and disappeared with all the money he stole.
Shut up.

He became popular again after Eric and Peter Merola's 'Zeitgeist' movement.
I went down a bit of a rabbit hole here but I can't find anything conclusive. Zeitgeist was made by Peter Joseph and I have never heard "Merola" until now but upon googling it I found out that there is a documentary film maker (Similar to PJ) named Eric Merola and on a different site I saw there is an Eric Merola who lives in California (same state as Peter) who has multiple criminal charges and a relative  named Peter Joseph Merola who is the exact same age as Peter Joseph.
If they are really related and worked on the films together can you prove it?

The merging of the Merola's and Fresco didn't last, as their greed consumed them. I was the one who took them down after infiltrating them from within. It's part of what I do to protect the world, as the founder of Anonymous.
Do you honestly think I'm going to believe that?

After watching your "refutation" of the RBE I have lost the motivation to reply to the rest. I would still like to hear about the whole Merola thing though if you have any proof or additional information.



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Wait a minute, you're that crackpot from DI
I am from many places, but I don't know what you mean by 'DI'. I am not a crackpot. I am not the one advocating Communism here. I am not the one calling other people silly names instead of providing an argument.

I can tell you are a troll at this point
I am not a troll. The fact that I can back up my argument with a list of links with extensive hidden camera footage of the people involved in your RBE, speaks for itself.

the founder of anonymous, seriously? 
Indeed I am the founder of Anonymous. Review the thread about it and the 11 hour story here: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/36

You have a troll youtube channel where you make fake anonymous videos
I have many Youtube channels. If any of my videos are fake, then provide an argument, a premise and evidence. Every single contender to the legitimacy of my claims has run away in shame. Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DtswI-j5A

pretend to be a prophet as well
I never claimed to be a prophet.

It is an economic system based on real resources rather than social constructs.
There is nothing economic about the RBE, outside of 'give me all your stuff or I will take it by force'. It is anti-social. Have you heard of what entertainment consists of in the RBE? Tennis and pool, that's it. No score, just hit the balls randomly and everyone wins. At the heart of the RBE is the idea that YOU are the rightful ruler of the world, than you can and must completely destroy human nature and heritage, and override it with your own will. That mankind are just empty puppets, clay to mold for your own amusement. A stepping stone to your dreams of becoming God. That's what the RBE is all about.

Citation needed.
All of his confessions have been removed from false DMCA complaints and death threats, to cover it up. But you can still see hits of what he really thought and what the RBE looks like under the surface.


Here you can see the bullying, censorship and propaganda on his own Wikipedia page (the worst of it has been deleted and only seems to trace as far back as 2013. The worst was in 2008-2012): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacque_Fresco

An example of what happens to people who question the RBE: https://www.quora.com/What-are-your-criticisms-of-the-Venus-Project

Notice you can never find any copies of him saying 'love is bullshit', you can only find copies of him changing his story and making excuses after being widely criticised over it: https://www.google.com/search?q=fresco+love+is+bullshit

Jacque Fresco saying there is no purpose in life (did you know he doesn't believe in morality?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWVDXaOszg8

Tabula Rasa has been completely debunked for a long time. It's popular only among psychopaths with a power fetish: https://www.google.com/search?q=tabula+rasa+debunked

Jacque Fresco and his ties to Satanic cults: https://www.google.com/search?q=jacque+fresco+satanic+cults

But above all, I just gave you 4 Youtube channels in my previous message with hundreds of videos of hidden camera recordings of these confessions and more. You ask for citations after I already gave you hundreds.

It is not for me to produce a citation, it is for you to provide citations for all your claims. You are the one promoting this Satanic RBE cult, the burden of evidence falls on you. You have not produced a single shred of evidence, nor even an argument to support your RBE.


Cut the ass hat shinanegans buddy. Jacque was designing wing frames for aircraft and the like, he was never a soldier in the military or banned from having a gun. He was never shut up in a room drawing weapons, you literally just made that up.
Now your true colours are showing as a typical RBE cult member. This isn't a debate. You came to promote your cult with lies, and your true colours show under pressure. Jacque Fresco never designed anything. He never produced a single prototype of anything. All he did was draw silly pictures of other people's designs, committing mass murder. He certainly was banned from wielding a gun in the military. He was locked up in a store room for years where he did nothing but draw weapons of mass destruction killing people. All of the evidence has been deleted from the internet due to a United Nations funded campaign to cover up the truth about Fresco and his RBE with false DMCA complaints, death threats and more. Ponder what happened to the following Youtube accounts.





As shown in the channels in my original message, these channels revolve around hidden camera footage and confessions of Jacque Fresco and his RBE conspirators. Oh, look what I found here, an example of how the RBE cult behaves behind closed doors, threatening one of my followers. They brought in 'Thunder' because of me personally, after I wrote code into their very own IRC network, infiltrated their hierarchy and took them apart from within. I remember the 'fat hobbit' politician 'V' and his radio show. I remember the dissent I started. I remember how it all fell apart. Where do you think the hidden camera footage came from? I was there for everything. I am everywhere, and at all times, and most of the time you don't even see me.



You are already contradicting yourself you piece of shit troll.  Was he shut up in a room or was he a glue salesman? And who the fuck sells models to children in the military? I know Jacque very well and I've never heard any of this shit.
How have I contradicted myself? You can't back up a single thing you say. I am not a piece of shit and I am not a troll. Refrain from calling your debate opponents silly names. Produce an actual argument, a premise and evidence.

Jacque Fresco was locked up in a store room for years, where he drew weapons of mass destruction killing people. He later started a business from his store room selling aircraft model kits of his weapons of mass destruction. Those kits had toxic glue that killed thousands of children. He continued selling them knowing very well that it was toxic and killing his customers, until he was kicked out of the military over it.

You know Jacque Fresco very well do you? You know him so well that you didn't even realise he's already dead and his RBE scam died with him? According to the RBE, only Jacque Fresco has the capacity to rule over it. When he dies, the RBE dies. In his final years, he made one last effort, asking for billions of dollars to produce a final movie than never happened, a movie he promised would change the world and bring about his RBE. He ran off with the money yet again, and eventually died of Parkinson's disease. You haven't heard any of this because they won't tell you any of it and they have gone to extremes to cover it all up. Review the links provided, question the holes in the RBE and see what happens. There are so many holes in the RBE that I wouldn't be able to fit them in this debate, so I will only respond to specific points you bring up. Deal with the points I have already provided. Don't jump from point to point with silly name calling. Deal with it, and be open to the possibility that you are catastrophically wrong.

No he didn't you cantankerous wanker biscuit.
He certainly did, and I have already shown you a screenshot comparison to prove it. Jacque Fresco stole his drawings from the movie Logan's Run. Watch the movie for yourself and see that he got his ideology from that movie as well. Calling me silly names doesn't change the facts. It only shows that you don't know anything of depth about your own RBE, you don't have the maturity to handle debate, and your motives are highly suspect.

He infiltrated the KKK, pretending to sympathize with their views, and then proceeded to try to change their perspective.
He didn't infiltrate the KKK. He joined the KKK, mistakenly thinking that the KKK were about racism and killing Blacks. They aren't, they are about preserving their race from multicultural genocide. He tried to take over and pushed to kill Blacks, and has a disturbing racist history that he went to extremes to cover up. He tried to sabotage anyone who stood in his way. They kicked him out. He changed his story and reversed the roles to cover up what he did. He was a Zionist Jew. His people have been kicked out of more than 100 countries for a reason. He had a long history of racism and promoting genocide. His solution to the 'race problem', was to kill off most of the population and merge the rest into a single mongrel breed, genociding all races in the process, and installing a two caste system where he and his minions rule over the slave caste.

Or does your RBE overrule my right to preserve my race and heritage, my right to freedom of association, my right to even exist? Will you even answer that question? Do I have these rights in your RBE? What rights do I actually have?

If I came from a history of Satanic cults after murdering thousands of children, then joined ISIS, widely plotted and promoted the genocide of the West for years, then got booted out of ISIS, changed my story to 'It was a secret plan to infiltrate them and steer them in the right direction', would you believe me? No? Then why do you believe his excuse? Why do you believe the same excuse everyone time he and his followers are caught, over and over again? 'No sir, I wasn't stealing his wallet, I was putting it back into his pocket!'. Again, any wonder why his people have been kicked out of more than 100 countries? Funny how you deny the things I say, then you later admit them.

Your understanding of Technocracy is ignoramically minimalistic.
I have personal experience with the Technocrats. Unlike the technocrats, I have experience and expertise in Artificial Intelligence, founded an underground AI society and am partly responsible for DARPA's navigational AI, and largely responsible for SIRI and all other modern AI such as Cortana and Alexa. Here is some AI I made in a single afternoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJm79x_0LFA

Shut up.
Make me. This is supposed to be a debate. Is this how things are done in the RBE? What are you going to do? Remove pieces of my brain as the RBE says, then kill me 'for my own good and the good of the community' if I continue to resist you? Have you ever heard of 1984? Are you the thought police?



I went down a bit of a rabbit hole here but I can't find anything conclusive. Zeitgeist was made by Peter Joseph and I have never heard "Merola" until now but upon googling it I found out that there is a documentary film maker (Similar to PJ) named Eric Merola and on a different site I saw there is an Eric Merola who lives in California (same state as Peter) who has multiple criminal charges and a relative  named Peter Joseph Merola who is the exact same age as Peter Joseph.
If they are really related and worked on the films together can you prove it?
Joseph is his middle name. He hid his last name to hide his history of fraud and ties to terrorism. His last name is Merola. Eric Merola is his brother. You can find examples of him confessing to his last name in the video above where he threatens one of my followers, and much more in the channels listed in my first comment. You can find a long list of examples of him by his real name in the link below.


Here is Jordan Maxwell confessing his real name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD1QD8zlPQ0

His own biography confesses that Joseph is his middle name. CTRL+F search 'middle name': http://peterjoseph.info/biography/


Do you honestly think I'm going to believe that?
What you believe is irrelevant. Why you believe it is everything.

After watching your "refutation" of the RBE I have lost the motivation to reply to the rest.
After watching my refutation of the RBE, you have failed to refute it.

I would still like to hear about the whole Merola thing though if you have any proof or additional information.
For more on Peter Joseph Merola, follow the google search of his name above. Much of it has been deleted due to false DMCA complaints, death threats and more, but there is still much available. There are hundreds of videos already supplied above, with evidence of the extreme censorship.

The cake is a lie.
Round 3
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I just want to say that your biggest give away is the humanity party video. That video is ridiculous, it doesn't address a single thing about the RBE. It's a long rant about how a stateless and moneyless society has a totalitarian state and a fractional reserve system, how Jacque wants to brainwash people with "healthy food" and how mixed races are prone to "ideological viruses". The video is incoherent, sloppily put together, and indicates total ignorance and trolling propensities.

Ironically, your somewhat racist ideas are actually disproven by Jacque himself. He spoke at length about how environment and culture shape behaviour rather than race. It's hilarious that you call him a racist with no proof meanwhile a giant part of everything he talked about was how humans are heavily subject to conditioning and if you take a child of any race and put it with any other race or culture  it will adapt to that conditioning and pick up language, ideas, values and mannerisms etc.from their environment. The evil "mongrel races" you speak of are just as subject to this conditioning and if there is any truth to what you say at all, it is not because of their genes but because of their sense of cultural identity being poorly defined. You are an imbecile racist hippopotamus fucking troglodyte ass nugget.

I am not the one advocating Communism here
Tell me, in your own words what do you think "Communism" means?


The fact that I can back up my argument with a list of links with extensive hidden camera footage of the people involved in your RBE
I didn't see any hidden camera footage, just poorly edited audioclips and accusations.

Indeed I am the founder of Anonymous. Review the thread about it and the 11 hour story here:
You lost me when you mentioned prophesy and started quoting the bible.

There is nothing economic about the RBE, outside of 'give me all your stuff or I will take it by force'. 
That's literally the fucking opposite of what it is. https://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/aims-and-proposals/

Have you heard of what entertainment consists of in the RBE? Tennis and pool, that's it.
LOL. Fucking idiot.

At the heart of the RBE is the idea that YOU are the rightful ruler of the world
Once again, that is the precise opposite of the truth. Jacque Fresco said that the earth's resources should be the common heritage of all people and that the concept of government and authority is primitive in the grand scheme of things.

than you can and must completely destroy human nature and heritage, and override it with your own will. That mankind are just empty puppets, clay to mold for your own amusement.
This is how simpletons who are afraid of reality interpret what Jacque says. They assume he must be evil because he says that human nature and free will are bullshit and that humans are subject to the same cause and effect mechanics as everything else.

All of his confessions have been removed from false DMCA complaints and death threats, to cover it up. But you can still see hits of what he really thought and what the RBE looks like under the surface.
I don't see any proof, what the fuck am I even looking at right now?

Jacque Fresco saying there is no purpose in life
There is no purpose in life. "Purpose" implies intention, intention is personal and subjective. There is no fucking objective purpose.

(did you know he doesn't believe in morality?)
I don't believe in morality either, you know why? Because it's a social fucking construct and it's completely fucking subjective. You are a superstitious retard who believes in shit that other people made up to control you. You know who the most "evil" people are 99% of the time? The fucking people who are the supposed arbiters of morality, law and order and the people who are considered "good" and "great".  Why are the nobility always insane psychopaths? Why are the successful people in capitalism always fucking people over? Why is government responsible for more unnecessary violence than any other type of institution? Why does the catholic church protect pedophilia? It's because the institutions that give you your morality don't give a fuck and know that they are making it up as they go along, and they have enough money and power to get away with anything.

Tabula Rasa has been completely debunked for a long time. It's popular only among psychopaths with a power fetish
Tabula Rasa is not exactly accurate but it's close.

Jacque Fresco and his ties to Satanic cults
No proof, just "duuuuuuh Jacque is a commie cause' he don't like capitalism and he's a devil worshiper cause' he don't praise da lurd"

You are the one promoting this Satanic RBE cult, the burden of evidence falls on you. You have not produced a single shred of evidence, nor even an argument to support your RBE.
Why should I bother, you have already misunderstood enough on your own to make reasoning with you futile.

You know Jacque Fresco very well do you? You know him so well that you didn't even realise he's already dead
I know that he's dead.

Or does your RBE overrule my right to preserve my race and heritage, my right to freedom of association, my right to even exist? Will you even answer that question? Do I have these rights in your RBE? What rights do I actually have?
If you need an institution to give you "rights" then you only have privileges.





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I just want to say that your biggest give away is the humanity party video. That video is ridiculous, it doesn't address a single thing about the RBE. It's a long rant about how a stateless and moneyless society has a totalitarian state and a fractional reserve system, how Jacque wants to brainwash people with "healthy food" and how mixed races are prone to "ideological viruses". The video is incoherent, sloppily put together, and indicates total ignorance and trolling propensities.
My thorough refutation of the Humanity Party and their version of the RBE scam has completely refuted their scam to the point where they deleted their original videos and ran way from Anonymous. My refutation of their scam was longer than their scam video itself. Their solution was the same old shallow nonsense of the RBE, the idea that mankind will magically 'behave' themselves if they give you everything they have, including their human rights, and follow your magical plan. And since the plan has so many holes and they admit that not everyone will magically conform to their authority, it always comes down to the 're-education camps', the removing of pieces of people's brains, the torture and mutilation, and murder 'for their own good and the sake of the system'. That's what the RBE always comes down to. Communism all over again. You promise them a utopia, but the catch is they have to give you absolutely everything they have and forfeit all of their rights in a one way trip of submitting to your authority. And anyone who questions you is tortured, mutilated and killed. All justified by a false sense of some greater cause. And that greater cause involves you role playing God. A testament to the true colours of the RBE and its Communist followers is in how they deal with criticism. In all their so called enlightenment, any criticism is responded with name calling, threats and censorship. They never produce an actual argument or evidence to support their RBE. All they do is demand blind adherence and try to woo you over with outdated silly drawings from the 1970's.


The only prototype Jacque Fresco ever made. This is his awesome 'ultra' car from the future, his major selling point of the RBE. Check out that awesome suspension, a single front spring form a childs toy: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Jacque_Fresco_32_part_car_suspension.jpg

Here he is, advertising his amazing matchbox car design: 

Ironically, your somewhat racist ideas are actually disproven by Jacque himself.
How have I ever said anything remotely racist? Stop throwing the race card around like it's the 1980's. It doesn't work any more. Get an argument.


He spoke at length about how environment and culture shape behaviour rather than race.
He spoke at length in a circle about nothing. He never debated anyone on culture or behaviour. Anyone who questioned him was met with aggression and violence. He also spoke about race, which has been extensively covered up but referred to in your own link where he admits he joined the KKK and tried to push them even further. Yes, your own link disproves you and proves what i said and you deny.

It's hilarious that you call him a racist with no proof meanwhile a giant part of everything he talked about was how humans are heavily subject to conditioning and if you take a child of any race and put it with any other race or culture
It is not hilarious that your own link, the only link you have provided, provides proof of him confessing to being racist. Your own link refutes you and proves what I say from his own mouth. Humans are indeed subject to conditioning, but their inherent nature is much stronger and generally accounts for about 80% of behavior. The idea that humans can easily be molded, is a toxic fantasy of psychopaths. Review my story for an example of how nature is stronger than nurture: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/36

it will adapt to that conditioning and pick up language, ideas, values and mannerisms etc.from their environment.
language is a learned behavior, not an inherent behavior. The capacity for language is inherent, but the form of the language is learned. But even languages always branch out over time as nature overrides nurture. That's why we even have different languages in the first place, because inherent nature overrules any attempt to force your ways upon it. Just look at America, Blacks have their own version of English that is barely recognisable any more. And they do this in a short time frame despite being exposed to proper English every day. ideas and values you say? Such as the Islamic value of marrying 6 year old children, rape, incest, slavery, lying, stealing and honour killings? And what happens when you take them away from their country of origin and move them into an enlightened Western country with human rights and freedom of speech? Even after generations, they fight to end human rights and freedom of speech, and fight to install their corrupt, evil ways upon the locals. You can take a beast out of the wilderness, but you can't take the wilderness out of the beast. Isn't it revealing that everyone recognises these differences in dog breeds, yet you won't acknowlege these differences in the races of mankind? You think that through force, you can mold mankind and bend mankind to your will. It is not possible. And more than that, IT IS EVIL! The fact that you don't respect other people's personal space, rights and freedoms, is the very cause of all of the world's problems!

The evil "mongrel races" you speak of are just as subject to this conditioning and if there is any truth to what you say at all, it is not because of their genes but because of their sense of cultural identity being poorly defined.
Genes are the overwhelmingly dominant factor that defines culture. Genetic heritage and cultural heritage are one and the same. No matter how much you try to manipulate culture, it will always fight back and win. How typically Zionist of you to mistakenly believe you can override culture with your Trojan Horse ideology, that you would even attempt or seek such a disgustingly evil thing, and then have the nerve to call it a solution to the very problems your ideology caused. Mongrels have no heritage, no culture, no race. This is why they are in such a poor state. And you would propose the solution to be stripping everyone else of their culture as well? If poison kills a million people, then it really isn't such a good idea to force the entire population to drink it, is it?

You are an imbecile racist hippopotamus fucking troglodyte ass nugget.
Thank you. Thank you for revealing your true colours and revealing the truth colours of the RBE. If this is what you are like without power, then imagine what you would be like with the ultimate, irreversible power you demand everyone else give to you?

Tell me, in your own words what do you think "Communism" means?
Communism is responsible for massive death and destruction, more than all other ideologies combined since its inception. It is one of several Trojan Horse ideologies with the same primitive tactics and hidden agenda, designed to work in tandem with each other to infiltrate, take over and enslave foreign lands. The images below are in my own words.




I didn't see any hidden camera footage, just poorly edited audioclips and accusations.
You don't see because you didn't even look. You pretend it isn't within the links I provided, to discourage others from seeing for themselves. You didn't even look at your own single link, it refutes you and only proves what I say, where fresco admits he tried to push the KKK into racist extremism and tried to make excuses for it.

You provide a single link that refutes you and proves what I say. You then provide a second link to the Venus Project website, proving what I said about Fresco's plan to harvest billions of dollars for a movie, where he ran off with the money as i said. As for phase 3, the experimental city, there is no such city in the RBE. According to the RBE, no such city is possible. According to the RBE, it can only work once the RBE has 100% control of all the world's resources. There has never been a single shred of effort to build an experimental city, nor was there any real plan to do so. The RBE is stuck on phase 2, harvesting money to make a movie. There never was a phase 3. It's all made up. It's a false promise to encourage people to give them money. They don't realise that the experimental city can only happen once the RBE has 100% control of the world first. But they intentionally omit that important fact.

As you provide only 2 links that only refute you and prove what I say, I provide about 30 links that refute you and prove what I say.

You lost me when you mentioned prophesy and started quoting the bible.
Not surprising from someone who doesn't even watch his own links without realising his own links refute his very own claims. I never had you to begin with. You are stuck in outdated 1970's fantasies.

That's literally the fucking opposite of what it is. https://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/aims-and-proposals/
Read the fine print. Look at how they plan to build this 'experimental city', and what they must first achieve. Complete world domination. The city is built after that, not before, and not living in peace alongside everyone else. How do you think the RBE solved the problem of the world powers resisting them? There are disturbing answers to questions beyond the surface that you haven't conceived of. The RBE must first take 100% of the world's resources and gain 100% control over the population before it can install the first magical RBE utopia city. It is the purpose of RBE followers to harvest as much money for Jacque Fresco as they can, until he has enough wealth to take over the world. Once he has enough power, the world either submits willingly to his plan, or they are killed. I remind you again what happens to people in the RBE 're-education camps'. Look up what a re-education camp is and see for yourself. Do you think Jacque Fresco was against killing humans? He killed thousands of children without a shred of guilt, and continued doing it until the military took all his stuff and kicked him out. Are you not aware that Jacque Fresco wanted to surgically remove love from people's brains? Are you aware that he didn't believe in the concept of morality? Ask these questions to the RBE leaders and see what happens. I gave you a Quora link to people who tried. I gave you a video of one of my followers being stalked, threatened with death and legal action for criticising them and their ideology. I gave you links to prove the massive censorship campaign the RBE leaders and followers have done to cover up the truth about what their ideology really teaches beyond the surface. And you cannot fix an ideology that is entirely corrupt and evil at its very foundation. See it for what it is, a Trojan Horse world domination scam with a plan to commit the most despicable acts of evil upon mankind imaginable, stripping it of all its humanity and molding it like clay into a lifeless abomination. Beware the villains who come as a friend in the name of peace. Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises.

LOL. Fucking idiot.
Still not an argument. You haven't produced a single argument for your RBE. All you have done is shown your true malignant colours as a testament to the evil of the RBE.

Once again, that is the precise opposite of the truth. Jacque Fresco said that the earth's resources should be the common heritage of all people and that the concept of government and authority is primitive in the grand scheme of things.
No, not a common heritage at all. It all belongs to a super computer which decides everything you get and whether you live or die, which is controlled entirely by a team of self voting engineers from behind the scenes. In the RBE, no-one owns anything. Everything you have, can be taken away from you, especially if you criticise the RBE. Government and authority exist in totalitarianism in the RBE, by the engineers who operate the super computer. No-one votes them in. No-one votes them out. They are self installed and rule over mankind from behind the scenes. I suggest you watch the movie Logan's Run. The evil dystopia in that movie is exactly what the RBE hopes to create, it's where Jacque Fresco got his RBE idea from.

This is how simpletons who are afraid of reality interpret what Jacque says. They assume he must be evil because he says that human nature and free will are bullshit and that humans are subject to the same cause and effect mechanics as everything else.
Stop calling me silly names and denying the truth, and get an actual argument. I know exactly how the RBE works, in extreme detail. They got some of their ideas from me in the first place. I alone have gone into the details of how it works. Jacque Fresco was evil for various reasons. He hated love. He was against human rights and freedom of speech. He didn't believe in morality. He had no value for human life and killed thousands of children without a shred of guilt. He saw humans as puppets and clay to be molded into a stepping stone for him to become God, where he planned to commit ritual suicide after living for 1,000 years. Stop telling me what I think, and stop strawmanning me. Deal with the truth. Deal with the evidence. Get an actual argument. You haven't produced a single argument for the RBE or how it relates to the topic of this debate. I win by default, without the need to say anything.

I don't see any proof, what the fuck am I even looking at right now?
I gave the proof, crystal clear. You only see what you want to see. Right now, you are forced to look into a mirror, and you don't like what you're looking at. Own your shit. Don't project it onto me and don't lie and make excuses for an extremely evil world domination ideology.

There is no purpose in life. "Purpose" implies intention, intention is personal and subjective. There is no fucking objective purpose.
If you have no purpose in life, then you are failing at life. To find purpose, go watch my 11 hour movie.

I don't believe in morality either, you know why?
Yes, I know why. Because you're evil.

Because it's a social fucking construct and it's completely fucking subjective.
Really? Care to explain how animals have morality? They help each other, care for each other, even sacrifice their lives for each other, more than most humans do. You are worth less than the entire animal kingdom.







Your abandonment of morality is a social construct, with genetic consequences over time. It is a vampiric cancer of nature, and you are a threat to all life. Good and evil can be bred into a species over time.

You are a superstitious retard who believes in shit that other people made up to control you.
I'm not the one who believes in ridiculous fantasy cities from 1970's science fiction movies. I'm not the one advocating Communism. How would you even know what I believe, outside of rejecting your RBE on solid grounds? Are you the thought police of 1984?

You know who the most "evil" people are 99% of the time? The fucking people who are the supposed arbiters of morality, law and order and the people who are considered "good" and "great".
The most evil people are those who abandon the concepts of morality, law and order altogether.

Why are the nobility always insane psychopaths?
They aren't.

Why are the successful people in capitalism always fucking people over?
Because of people like you who use Capitalism to funnel international money (especially through the United Nations) for your RBE.

Why is government responsible for more unnecessary violence than any other type of institution?
You advocate the very type of government responsible for more violence than any other since its inception!

Why does the catholic church protect pedophilia?
Because Catholicism has been taken over by the very same people who fund your RBE, such as 'Exemplar Zero', who saved them from oblivion after I completely destroyed your cult.

the institutions that give you your morality don't give a fuck and know that they are making it up as they go along, and they have enough money and power to get away with anything.
The Western institutions of morality and law have been compromised and are being eroded by your RBE and the people in the entirely corrupt United Nations who fund it for the purpose of weakening the West and taking over. They never intended the RBE to work, it's just a tool to weaken the West. I don't take money from anyone. I cannot be bought out. Before you criticise the incorruptible, first deal with the corrupt hand that feeds you.

Tabula Rasa is not exactly accurate but it's close.
Tabula Rasa is complete nonsense. It is an ideology of corruption and evil, made by and for psychopaths and narcissists who see other people as clay to mold for their own amusement.

No proof, just "duuuuuuh Jacque is a commie cause' he don't like capitalism and he's a devil worshiper cause' he don't praise da lurd"
Stop strawmanning me and produce an actual argument.

Why should I bother, you have already misunderstood enough on your own to make reasoning with you futile.
If I have misunderstood anything, then provide an actual argument, a premise and evidence. Stop strawmanning me.

I know that he's dead.
You didn't before I told you. And you still don't realise that the RBE died with him.

If you need an institution to give you "rights" then you only have privileges.
I don't need an institution to give me rights. I need an institution to defend my rights from institutions like yours who seek to take my rights away.
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As explained clearly already, no civilisation has, can or ever will be an RBE. It is a bullshit, Communist, anti-civilisation, anti-human, Trojan Horse scam of extremely evil people to exploit the vulnerable. Anyone who defends the RBE is either extremely evil or so ignorant and gullible that they are an imminent danger to everyone around them. There is no confusion over this, only toxic, psychopathic parasites trying to justify their dreams of world domination, make excuses for what they do and muddy the waters and hide as wolves among sheep. And you are one of them, self confessed in the provided forum thread. No tolerance. No excuses.
I could go into extensive further details about the RBE. But I don't need to. I have already completely destroyed my RBE opponents at every turn and they don't have a leg to stand on.
Remind me again, what rights do I have in your RBE? Does love and morality exist in your RBE? How exactly does the RBE gain control of all the world's resources and deal with those who resist? Who decides how to distribute the world's resources? What happens to people who reject the RBE? What evidence is there to support the RBE's claims about human behavior? Where is the history of the RBE debating educated people and winning? Will you dare to answer those questions?
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look at the description of the debate from outside here:
https://www.debateart.com/debates
Look at the description, it says "In this context, a civilisation refers to a type one or higher on the Kardashev Scale, not the traditional definition. My position is that all civilisations are Resource Based Economies (as in technocratic socialism)"
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No it wasn't. It's about whether Civilisations adopt the RBE. And they don't, past or present. None ever have in recorded history, since it's a new concept. And none ever can in the future. It is a self refuting paradox. This is why no-one has ever or will ever attempt it. The moment they attempt to install it, they die. It's as ridiculous as saying 'All civilisations have adopted the cyanide pill, because it promises you the powers of superman flight'. More importantly, this is a malignant and deceptive attempt at advertising the RBE and trolling for victims. I called it for what it is, and utterly refuted all claims made by my opponent to the point where he even admitted I was right (after calling me silly names like winkle picker). I won, and your single spiteful vote doesn't change that. Let viewers make up their own mind. They now have the information they need to take an informed position against the RBE, and avoid being scammed by it.
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The debate wasn't if RBE is good or not but if the civilisations in the venus project all use RBE or not.
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Funny how pro gets voted for the better argument. Yet he didn't make a single argument or provide a single shred of evidence to support his claim. He loses by default. To make it worse, his own 2 links refute him and prove what I say, as if the dozens of links and hundreds of videos therein don't make that clear enough. And he even confesses that after doing some research, he has confirmed evidence to what I say. I know more about the RBE than its founder and inner circle hierarchy. Votes don't win arguments. That's a fallacy called Ad Populum. I won this 'debate' in totality. Your RBE is a Trojan Horse that was never meant to work. Its purpose is to lead people astray with Communism/Marxism to disrupt and weaken Western civilisation, and syphon money from the ignorant. On the surface, the RBE is only appealing to the ignorant. Upon investigation, the RBE is only appealing to psychopaths who are so blinded by their obsession with power that they think they have a chance. The RBE is a parasitic ideological virus. Should that virus become an epidemic again, I will destroy it again. For now, it has no power or influence. Just a few minions who troll internet forums desperately looking for gullible prey to fund them. In the RBE, you have no rights or freedoms. Questioning the RBE costs you your life, for the 'sake of the system'. There is no evolution and no progress. And there is no coming back from it, it's a one way trip to oblivion. But it will never happen and you don't have a leg to stand on. I didn't completely destroy your cult when I could have. I left it alive to serve a temporary purpose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca6lYrutbkA
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My mistake, I will fix this later via the admin.
I meant to give conduct to Con and arguments to Pro but I ended up clicking the button for Con that was arguments and not conduct which negated what I gave to Pro.
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If that was his plan, explain to me exactly how you know that and show me the proof.
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I'm not the one who follows a dead man's plan to become God.
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Classifying your "proof" as religious proves that you are a meaningless troglodyte primitive.
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Your motives are not what you think they are. Jacque Fresco was one of the most evil people in history.
If you want to know what Anonymous is, as opposed to fantasies and theories about the most mysterious organisation in history, then review the story in my thread about it in the religion section of the forum.
Calling people silly names isn't an argument. It's a confession of losing an argument.
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The real anonymous is a loosely connected gaggle of hackers and activists with no central ideology or goals. It is not actually a group in the traditional sense, anyone can take up the mantle of anonymous, and there is a wide range of different types of anonymous members. Having no clear agenda or sense of direction, anonymous has accomplished little and will ultimately be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. This man is either one of it's more delusional members or (more likely) a troll and a total loser.
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Yeah, anonymously definitely won't do anything to defame you since you're not a public figure. Worst case scenario, they will fake your identity to get ahold of your bank account (personally experience: working as a bank teller).
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My motives are to counteract the destructive path that humanity is taking. Instead of helping you would rather lie about one of the greatest people in history.
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I am not here to hack you, threaten you or censor you. I am here to get the truth out and let people make up their own mind. The only reason you would ever need to fear me, is if your motives are wrong.
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Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
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Conduct to Con because Pro calls him a superstitious retard, a crackpot, a troll and says the following too:
"Cut the ass hat shinanegans buddy."
"No he didn't you cantankerous wanker biscuit."
"LOL. Fucking idiot."
Spelling and grammar is tied.
While Con used a lot more sources, neither side used a remotely reliable one. You cannot ask people to watch videos that are over an hour long at times and not even that, you can't use a video or even entire google search result page as your source. You need to quote, from the source, the part relevant to the debate and the source is how you avoid plagiarism concerns and how you increase reliability to what you are claiming... Nothing more, nothing less. Also the Venus Project is extremely biased in favour of Pro so I don't consider that a reliable source for this debate.
Both sides went into the arguments totally wrong. Pro wins because what Con did was try to prove that RBE is corrupt since it's founder is corrupt but the issue is that even if the founder is a racist shill, it doesn't mean that RBE isn't the system that all alien civilisations in the theory of 'type 1-4 civilisations' use. Pro explains that RBE is what these imaginary alien civilisations all use and Con decides to simply say it's a corrupt theory and that the founder is a shill. This is not what Con was supposed to do in this debate. Con's angle had to be either that the RBE is impossible to be a system and that civilisations are possible only without it (which would render the fact that the proponents for RBE preach it must be used in civilisations as liars OR that RBE is not the system that any one of the civilisation types use above type 0 which was negated in the debate as it's the uncivilised type. Con never does this, not one in my eyes. All Con does is say that RBE is not provably sustainable and that the founder is corrupt which doesn't mean that in the theory of type 1-4 civilisations the RBE isn't the system they rely on.