Men should sit down to pee
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The resolution means I am arguing that men should sit down to pee in the bathroom. Don't be a smart ass. I don't mean everytime they enter a restroom. I just mean when they go into the restroom to urinate. I also don't mean when men are camping or otherwise in a situation where it is okay to pee outside. Clearly in a parking lot while drunk and tailgating, it is okay to urinate standing up. It is also okay to urinate standing up to put out fires. So the main rule here is to stay on topic, and debate in the spirit of what is trying to be argued here.
rules
1. everything I said above
Resolution:
First, the resolution clearly means "All men should sit down to pee." It doesn't mean some men, it means ALL men.
Second, negating the resolution "Men should sit down to pee" doesn't mean that you are advocating that "All men should stand up to pee." Nowhere in the rules is this specified, thus, Pro saying this provides no weight for me.
Pro had a massive BOP that he failed to fulfill. He has not provided any good reasons that ALL men should sit down to take a leak.
Arguments:
Health > CON:
This by far was the most powerful argument for this debate. PRO first brings up that men are healthier when sitting down to pee. This argument is quickly dismissed by CON, in which they prove that the PRO's own source clearly says older men with conditions can sit down to pee. CON points out that Pro has not fulfilled his BOP by only proving that older men with health conditions should sit down. Furthermore, CON provides a study that proves that men have no health benefits from sitting down to urinate.
PRO tries to use his faulty source again to prove that men should pee sitting down reduces the risk of infection, but this is still quickly dismissed by CON, who exposed the fact that the reduction of risk only applies to men with prostate problems.
CON never addresses PRO's argument that a lot of prostate problems go undiagnosed, but PRO never provides any sources for this.
Sanitation > TIE:
PRO brings up a very valid point of sanitation. He accurately proves that standing up is less sanitary and spreads more pee around the toilet (his use of the invisible pee cloud is false though). CON tries to dismiss this by saying that nobody eats dinner in the bathroom, but this provides no weight as sanitation anywhere is still extremely important. (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sanitation)/
CON then brings up that sitting down can also lead to infections and sanitary problems as well. He accurately proves that sitting down also has its risks. PRO fails to address this point.
Transgender > CON:
What was this argument's purpose? PRO provides no sources that transgender people will feel less awkward with men peeing sitting down. PRO only provides one absurd situation in which this would happen.
Conduct:
PRO regularly used curse words and inappropriate language even for a casual debate. He also used derogatory language, which CON pointed out. Even though CON forfeited, PRO's large use of inappropriate language negates that, thus this is tied. Both debaters engaged in inappropriate conduct.
Note: I delete this twice because I made mistakes in both votes. Sorry.
"what does CON need to prove?"
That is for each voter to decide for themselves. There's too much nuance in types of resolutions to easily codify it.
That said, I see some qualifiers in the description that it is not trying to say 100% of the time but rather just a strong majority of the time.
Cool, I enjoyed it too.
Not that interested to talk in dms but I enjoyed out conversation so far.
You don't have to ask Ragnar. Your vote was within the rules. This is a philosophical argument as to how to vote not an argument as to whether you voted wrong or not.
I don't wanna spam the comment thread, so do u just want to talk in dms and reach a conclusion?
"The default is just disproving your resolution."
If he actually disproved it that would be fine. He only mitigated the points. In order to overcome my arguments he had to completely destroy them or atleast have a bigger impact with some positive argumentation
If ur still online, in this case, what does CON need to prove? Do they need to prove that men need to pee standing up, or do they just need to disprove that men should sit down?
You clearly have to specify what the other person has to do, if you want them to prove that they are standing up... then say that in the rules. The default is just disproving your resolution. You can't just assume they're going to prove what you want them to prove.
Anyway, if you're leaving than I don't see why you need to care all that much, but report it if you want to. I've gotten a complaint on the vote from RM alr so if u rlly believe its a bad vote just report it.
You don't specify BOP in the rules. There is a way too figure out who has BOP that is entirely independent of the rules, in topics like this it is shared. Con has to show why most men should stand to pee. And I have to show why they should sit more often than not. I thought about altering the BOP because I know voters here are incompetent but ultimately I don't care much because I will be leaving the site within 48 hours anyway
Don't vote if you are too incompetent to do a proper impact analysis
this debate was hard for PRO to win any way bc of his resolution
he should have specified the BOP more in the rules
@RationalMadman
no that would be considered a kritik, and applied in this case, its against the rules provided by Incel_chud. that's the way i understand it.
What I would have pointed out in my round 3 was the absurdity of the idea that if someone claims all men should sit down to pee, that means I must prove that all men must stand, but the voters already know this.
Thank you so much for voting. I actually forfeited the last round because I fell asleep and time ran out, but I was already winning the debate significantly so I wasn't to bummed out about it.
so for instance if you say vegetables are healthy it means if you have raw courgette a lot that's healthy... (it isn't).
@RationalMadman
Cant ping but in my debates, it was always referenced as all.
For example, when you say Black Lives Matter, it means all black lives matter, not some black lives matter, or most black lives matter.
the default is on balance or most, not 'all' you had a lot of insertion of your own interpretation there.
I've voted.
When can we start a voting block? I need votes. I plan on putting some in myself later.
Voting is too hard.
Thank you for debating this with me. It was fun. Hopefully you find some more fun debates to engage in here.
This debate is finished and you guys cared enough to comment, so I am requesting some votes fif you guys feel like taking the time to do so.
Just vote CON, I forgot about the round 3 argument, and I probably din't need one anyway.
I think when you do settings for what opponent can accept, you can put the elo score all the way up and other things where nobody will easily be able to accept.
- I have a question. What exactly is the "Rating mode" in the parameters list? How do I make it impossible for others to accept my debate until I feel ready?
Based
I will have the argument up later. Thank you
Actually, better said, proceed with your opening argument.
I have accepted the challenge. I am in need on a debate, please tell me when you are ready to begin
I changed the rules so you can accept now
Actually when I had COVID 5 weeks ago my temp was 104 degrees and I was sweating so much I didn't pee for 2 days. I was drinking 20fl. oz per hour for days and my clothes and sheets would be completely soaked but I just never had to pee. My brain was so broken that I really just couldn't think past a few basic ideas.
Pee doesn't evaporate in our lungs. Your a male; you would know that.
I wish I had pee in my lungs ;)
Hold on, you guys urinate? I thought men just have their pee evaporate in their lungs and I think this is much better than peeing sitting down. /s
I have advertised the debate offsite and have had about 200 eyes on it.
so you're encouraging people to multi account? I don't think there's a lot of people who would accept this debate within the first 24 hour of them joining the site
What am I pulling?
Sad, the things you need to pull to get a win.
please accept it
Ok, I might accept your challenge, oh great Incel-chud.