Instigator / Pro
8
1597
rating
22
debates
65.91%
won
Topic
#3331

Some women should sacrifice their time and energy for the sake of their childs well being.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I believe that Pro could have won this debate if he'd had more than one round to argue it. His points defending the terms used in the resolution against Con's Kritik initially made sense, and I think his arguments on energy largely hold up well even after Con's rebuttals.

That being said, he set up the debate to include both the terms "time" and "energy," and Pro had to win both. Much as I think there are reasons why Con's analysis of what time is and our capacity to individually sacrifice it, I don't see enough of a response from Pro to justify its use in the resolution as is. Defining the terms up front would definitely have helped, as would finding a better justification for his particular use of the term, which Con is correct is colloquial. There's a case to be made for why the colloquial definition is the best one for this debate given the context of the resolution, and while Pro starts that argument, I don't think it's possible to win it without addressing the issues that Con brings up in his final round, which was also his first opportunity to address Pro's view of the definitions.

All of that leads me to vote for Con.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Leaving conduct tied in spite of the forfeiture due to the insult at the end of R1, as much as I admit I enjoyed the humor.

Con basically sealed this focusing on how time is spent no matter what we do with it.

Pro's counter example of a veteran, while showing generalized sacrifice failed to expand how that was indeed a sacrifice of time itself. The student attending their classes example, again did not address time specifically but merely showed how 'theirs' can apply to abstract non-commodities.

Without solving the issue of time being lost no matter how we utilize it, pro moved on to the core appeals of malnourished children; which I admit I see the need for in this debate to reach minimal BoP (showing some net harm), but in addition to the time factor, con had already brought up that many women enjoy raising children making things not clear sacrifices. This leaves a lot of cons case begging the question of why not leave motherhood to the women who enjoy it?

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For extra insight, this is a two part resolution...
1. Time, which con won
2. Energy, which I would say is more of tied. Sacrificing glucose for some greater good seems worthwhile and not a big deal (it would be expanded, but IMO con would have done better to concede this to focus just on time).

Pro needed to uphold both parts to win, thus victory goes to con.