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Topic
#3472

goku would beat superman if they had a hypothetical combat governed by the powers and abilities of both in addition to the rules of dc and dragon ball.

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After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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firstly i mean random physical combat, goku is not going to beat superman in a game of chess, secondly i am using post crisis version of superman and akira toriyama version for goku, i am not going Let's talk about pre-crisis superman, superman one million, superman's cosmic armor (which is actually a fusion between superman and ultraman) or superman milk.
The feats that superman achieved in crossovers with marvel are not valid (I don't want to see anyone saying superman > thanos) nor those achieved in alternate universes to prime earth (so you can get rid of all the feats of injustice), neither is any validity goku anti-feat that has happened in the anime, and only those that happened in the manga of toriyama and toyotaro will be valid.

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1 point(s)
Reason:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onP_cdOEhyona3ngpJoGZ8CmK2YB-aQE8kLUv26T29Y/edit?usp=sharing

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Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

hakai:
Pro bets the farm on the questionable notion that Goku immediately attempts to murder every opponent with his most powerful attack.
Con counters that Superman is immune to this type of attack, and further the energy wave might supercharge him like a sun.
Pro doubles down.
Con counters that even were pro correct about hakai, Goju isn't that good at it like Beerus (which begs the question, why argue Goku instead of Beerus when the focus is intended on a Beerus centric attack).

Speed:
Pro attempts to argue that Goku has limitless speed, but as con identifies, the source for this is just some random guy's word on how strong he is.
Con later gives a well sourced estimate on Superman's ridiculous speed.

Darkseid:
Pro attempts to leverage that Superman can lose to his most powerful villains. Con uses this to point out Superman's ability to normally survive and dodge the crazy attacks from them.

The debate drags on, but the formatting near the end became a quite painful wall of text which seemed to be filled with repeated assertions of old content.
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Ultimately for this debate con wins if Goku's victory is in doubt, and without knowing more about Goku's actual likely fighting styles it seems like Superman would most likely win with his speed and lasers since Goku is too much of a one trick pony (con's side arguments about Goku in R1 were actually better than that single attack argument which permeated throughout the debate)