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Topic
#3508

On balance, "you" ought to join the Jedi instead of the Sith [Read Description]

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
15
0
Better sources
10
2
Better legibility
5
2
Better conduct
4
2

After 5 votes and with 28 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two months
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
6
1511
rating
4
debates
25.0%
won
Description

"You" are a regular talented force-sensitive child, about 7 years of age, add or take away a couple years. Not necessarily Rey or Anakin leveled "talented" but enough that both the current sith master and the Jedi masters would like you to join them, which you exhibit neither preference to the light nor the dark side explicitly. The setting is that the rule of 2 exists in the Sith, meaning that there is one Sith master and one Sith apprentice and no more. The Jedi council is approximately what the Jedi council is like before the Clone Wars as the system is assumed to not change.

The SW Canon and Legends universe can be considered factual up to the first death of Darth Sidious, where the Rule of 2 apply. Disney Canon(7-9) is not Canon here as they sacrificed logic and coherency with the rest of the universe in trade of cinematic effects. "You" are supposed to exist in a time between those 2 sith lords(After Darth Bane), in the recent millenium before the battle of Yavin.

"You" refers to this fabricated being above setted unless quoted and specified to mean otherwise. Pro's BoP: "You" ought to join the Jedi instead of the Sith. Con's BoP: "You" ought to join the Sith instead of the Jedi. Middle ground arguments only shift the balance but only those cannot sufficiently back the BoP.

Dark Jedi, Gray Jedi, Inquisitors, and other groups of force users are not considered either Jedi or Sith.

Pro and Con set only for color and flavor. Good Luck.

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@That2User

Sadly, I no longer hold this opinion anymore. I can however put up the same topic with me as Pro and you as Con.

Even when one believes in a might is right philosophy, or that greed or self interest is good for the individual, ought be pursued. . .

Seems to me little reason to 'preach such, or encourage said philosophy in others.
One benefits most by others being altruistic, while oneself is selfish,
Secretly breaking one's own word whenever beneficial, while always trusting others to keep theirs.

Course, that's only 'if said philosophy actually 'is good for oneself,
Are many other arguments that being straight and honest, right by others is good for oneself, 'other than in the sense of the group, but for the individual as well.

Truly unhappy some would argue, are those unable to emphasize or do right.
Like Barry HBO or Homelander (The Boys)

I believe it's fair to say that both the Jedi and the Sith have advantages and disadvantages. Too much emotion from the Sith, and too much repression from the Jedi.

"I fact Darth Maul was an abomination tonthe Sith order."

I don't think so. Maul wasn't technically a Sith until Plagueis died. There can be more than 2 dark side users at a time, it is just only 2 of them are Sith.

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@Intelligence_06

Maul was never big on strategy anyway.

I fact Darth Maul was an abomination tonthe Sith order.

Palatine was a Sith Apprentice who had his own apprentice... he had to murder his Sith Lord to take the throne but already had violated the order.

Uh oh, I think I might have set the bound too low. 10,000 won't be enough at this rate.

I'm /in

I would have been a gray Jedi for sure.

"I'm gonna be a Jedi, that's all my eyes can see
Victory is mine, yeah surprisingly
I've been laying, waiting for your next mistake
I put in work, and watch my status escalate"

-Gang Starr ft Big L

Fun topic!

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@TheMorningsStar

Don't know a lot about the Jensaarai or those other factions, but proving that "you" ought to join any of them (or even the Jedaii) fulfills no one's BoP.

This will be very interesting to read. I actually agree that if this is the era of Jedi that is being talked about that the Sith is better, though I would say joining Jensaarai (or even the Teepo/Gray Paladins) would probably be better than either the Jedi or Sith at this point. I am interested in seeing how Pro (whoever that ends up being) will make their case.