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Topic
#3520

Is Child Sexual Abuse Harmful by Itself? V2

Status
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
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Time for argument
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Description

Pro argues that the vast majority of the harm that is correlated with kids having sex with adults stems from the stigma against it and failing to control for other confounding variables.

Con argues against this view.

DEFINITIONS:
Child sexual abuse: A person that is under 18 years old having sex (that they chose to have) with someone that is five or more years older than them.

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@TWS1405

"Hell, even watching porn at a young age is harmful."
I started watching porn when I was 8. Fun times. I dont see how it harmed me.

How in the flying fuck could this debate be a tie!?!

There is NO question that child sex abuse is harmful to the child.

Hell, even watching porn at a young age is harmful.

Billie Eillish has come out about this fact.

Best Korea is a sick MF pedophile. As are many in the Asian regions given their strict one male child policy. Too many males, too many gays, to many trans, and too many pedophiles.

Sorry, what part of "most people lie" dont you understand? And you want proof of scientists getting paid to lie? Watch a car commercial. Or wait. I have a better idea. Go to the store. Buy Coca cola. Read label. Does it say anywhere on it "poisoned water"? Because it should. But the scientist who writes content probably thought he wont earn as much money if he wrote such horrible truth on it. Now, thats a "small" example of scientists deceiving people. Who created pesticides, poisons, harmful food, harmed the environment with pollution? All done by our beloved scientists. Not to mention the fact that, thanks to science, we could die in a nuclear war.
And our beloved psychologists? What shall we say about them? They said society will benefit if more people visited psychologists. Well, people listened to them and now the suicide rates are even higher.
And our beloved dentists? Its funny how they didnt even exist for the most part of human history and we seemed to be doing fine without them until a scientist decided that we should have more sugar in our diet and did great research on how to attract children to eat more candy. Today, the scientists all over the world are doing research on how to attract people to buy certain product.
And you think that in society based on money and greed, scientists would be different and not pursue money and not lie or deceive when it suits them? What kind of a fairy tale do you live in? Scientist is just a word for someone who collects facts. To claim that he wont misuse or misrepresent or conceal some facts means to think of him as some angel. Also, it means not to know the history itself.

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@oromagi

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>>>> @Best.Korea
"almost all scientists, at some point in their life, got paid to lie about something or to cause deception and false ideas. "

OK, well that is a gigantic mentally ill conspiracy theory you have there. Your evidence will need to be copious and dead on to make any head way with such a kooky belief.

~~ Wow. I cannot help but be dismayed that I am actually am actually going to agree with B.K on this salient point.

Medical professionals LIED on the stand about George Floyd's death.
Medical professionals LIED about COVID from the outset.
Medical professionals LIED about Monkeypox and will not agree to push the message that gay men need to stop having sex with unknown misc men.
Medical professionals LIED about gender dysphoria not being a mental disorder for political ideological reasons when it is a mental disorder.
Medical professionals LIED about the false sense of safety and security of puberty blockers for children that will leave them sterile and cause other medical conditions like osteopetrosis.

I can go on, if you like.

Medical professionals, like politicians, lie to push an agenda.

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@Best.Korea

"almost all scientists, at some point in their life, got paid to lie about something or to cause deception and false ideas. "

OK, well that is a gigantic mentally ill conspiracy theory you have there. Your evidence will need to be copious and dead on to make any head way with such a kooky belief.

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@oromagi

You dont need to be bribed in order to lie or use deception. But if you have a habbit of lying, getting paid for it does give a motivation to lie more. Scientists who do deceptive research aimed against pedophilia are getting paid. Scientists who do deceptive research about cars are getting paid. Scientists who do deceptive research about improving ads and commercials are getting paid. Almost all scientists, at some point in their life, got paid to lie about something or to cause deception and false ideas. This makes 99% of them liars. You mention nurses, doctors? Show me a nurse who never lied! Show me a doctor who never lied! They are people. People lie and deceive. So when a scientist gets paid to do research against pedophilia, plus if he himself hates pedophilia, its obvious his research will suffer. Now when most of scientists have hate towards pedophilia, its obvious that any scientist who attempts to defend pedophilia will be judged and will have no support and will lose credibility. Thats why we cant have credible research that supports pedophilia. Any research that is supporting pedophilia loses its credibility as soon as it appears, no matter how correct it is.

So when you say that "99% of scientists are liars and deceivers who oppose to pedophilia", you believe that the overwhelming majority of scientists are bribed (including doctors, nurses, etc) to express an opinion contrary to their natural opinion. You believe that most people are just fine with pedophilia but are duped into believing that pedophilia is harmful?

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@oromagi

Scientists work for money. So if someone pays them good amount of money to lie or deceive, why wouldnt they do it? Maybe you assume scientists are angels who cant do anything bad? I know we live in society which worships science as its new God. However, scientists are just people. 99% of people tend to lie and deceive. Lets not forget that scientists often disagree with each other. Scientists have even disagreed on pedophilia. The fact that 99% of scientists oppose to pedophilia means they will either support either accept to do any research which is already determined to discredit pedophilia, while hiding any research which supports it.
The problem with free market and competition is that people will try to discredit others to gain popularity and, or earn money. Pedophiles are easy targets for that.

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@Best.Korea

I'd be willing to believe that 99% of scientists oppose pedophilia. Your claim without evidence that 99% are liars strikes me as delusional.

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@oromagi

"super credible well established science publications"
Yeah, considering that 99% of scientists are liars and deceivers who oppose to pedophilia, I am pretty sure your conditions are unrealistic and unachiveable.

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@Myst1

All the more reason to link us straight to super credible well established science publications. As a voter, I'll assume the data backs to the bias expressed in Nature in a way I'd never do on NAMBLA, for example.

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@oromagi

Virtually all sources on CSA are biased one way or the other.

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@Myst1

They got zapped when the timer expired. I gave Novice points for Arguments, Sources, and Conduct and I expressed considerable dissatisfaction with your whole approach to this topic. Essentially, I accepted Novice's kritik as valid and far more direct and reasonable than your thesis. I accepted his definition of CSA as far closer to the consensus of social science than yours. So his re-write of thesis as CSA is harmful became the framework. To the extent that he proved pain and pregnancy as real harms that you failed to persuasively counter, the win was his. I really hated the long cut & pastes and the way those sources never really backed up your claims. I sided with objections to links to boywiki. That site was obviously biased and felt marginally legal. In future, link directly to peer-reviewed scientific studies and take responsibility to resolve broken links. I didn't thinks Novice's args were any great shakes and certainly could have been far more comprehensive but he understood his mission and made it easy to find his thesis more persuasive than yours.

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@oromagi

Can you post the decision in a comment here anyway (if you still have it written out somewhere)? I would like to read it. Thx

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@Novice_II

I didnt vote because i hadn't read it. I couldn't bring myself to read it even if i wanted too, the topic just doesn't really interest me.

It was a good thing this debate ended without votes. Time for the next one.

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@Novice_II

Apologies, only just seen this!

I've been writing a decision for an hour and just missed the fucking deadline. sorry.

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@PoliceSheep

Apologies for the mention, however I am in quote the dire situation here and I have 45 minutes to avoid a no vote tie, if you have time can you cast the first ballot here?

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@Ehyeh

Maybe you can help us out here? If you have time, that is.

Can anyone please cast a vote here?

This is just wrong reasoning. Saying that child sexual abuse is harmful because it causes physical pain is incorrect as there are many sexual activities such as rubbing and oral sex which dont include painful penetration and hence not causing pain.

Children like it a lot when adults give them attention and touching they want. As long as it is not forced or imposed, it is okay.

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@Ehyeh

Yeah...saw the website. I am starting to have second thoughts about my oponent

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@Ehyeh

It's sus and it's why i use a vpn. Not illegal in the US, just sus

https://www.boywiki.org/en/Main_Page

???? wtf is this website